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@voodoo said in US Politics:
@jegga can you blame them? He has a really small, super dedicated core - and zero ability to attract voters outside of that.
I disagree but even an enthusiastic base might make all the difference - Hillary lost largely because her support was a mile wide and an inch deep. As @Salacious-Crumb pointed out earlier irregardless of the candidate it is ongoing to come down to the same swing states if he can get maximum anti-Trump turn out in those states he will win.
Also I back Bernie's ability to swing some of the disaffected rural voters who voted for Trump more than I back Trump's ability to swing economically conservative, social liberals who voted against him last time on the basis of incumbancy/economy. But I may well be wrong on that.
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NEW DETAILS SHOW HOW DEEPLY IOWA CAUCUS APP DEVELOPER WAS EMBEDDED IN DEMOCRATIC ESTABLISHMENT
Dem group behind Shadow distanced itself from the Iowa caucus developer. But they share office space, briefings & resources. The team is made up of former Hillary campaign staff tied to Mayor Pete and have privately expressed hostility to Bernie.
Yup, Robby Mook, the super-genius campaign director for Hillary 2016, keeps on-keeping on.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in US Politics:
NEW DETAILS SHOW HOW DEEPLY IOWA CAUCUS APP DEVELOPER WAS EMBEDDED IN DEMOCRATIC ESTABLISHMENT
Dem group behind Shadow distanced itself from the Iowa caucus developer. But they share office space, briefings & resources. The team is made up of former Hillary campaign staff tied to Mayor Pete and have privately expressed hostility to Bernie.
Yup, Robby Mook, the super-genius campaign director for Hillary 2016, keeps on-keeping on.
I reckon it is just a coding error. But the democrats never show anyone else any leeway ever.. so fuck them.
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From hacker news on the Iowa app maker:
3uclid 21 hours ago | unvote [-]
Checked their LinkedIn and the employees who work there. The founder is non-technical and there are two developers: one who is a "back-end intern" and the other is a front-end developer (both are fresh from bootcamps).
...Yikes.
replythedance 18 hours ago | unvote [-]
The career path of prep cook -> software certification mill -> wrecking american democracy is the best thing I've ever seen
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@Salacious-Crumb said in US Politics:
“Trump indicated that tonight’s speech will run to one-and-a-half hours, and he planned to mention but spend little time talking about the ongoing impeachment proceedings. That, he said, will be reserved for the barn-burner he plans to deliver on Wednesday after the Senate acquits him.”
Really looking forward to this one.
Ugh, keeping us in suspense. If he’s taking an extra day for a Victory Lap, better make it a good one!
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@Salacious-Crumb said in US Politics:
Yup, Robby Mook, the super-genius campaign director for Hillary 2016, keeps on-keeping on.
Deporable, I tell you. Deplorable
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@Salacious-Crumb said in US Politics:
They’ve never seen anything like it. And I’m not just talking Donald snubbing Pelosi’s handshake. Dems look small, bitter, petty and weak. Nancy ripped up the speech. They’ve lost the plot.
They look like they prefer playing student politics to governing, and stamp their feet like spoil kids whose parent have said "no".
I'm the last person to like Trump, but jeez, the Democrats are in real bad way, aren't they?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
I'm the last person to like Trump, but jeez, the Democrats are in real bad way, aren't they?
The past twelve months has been frankly a bizzare showing from the left. The Australian and UK Labor parties staring down the barrel of their third and fourth terms in opposition respectively turning out inept campaigns and now the Democrats kneecapping themselves.
I can understand why the conservative side of politics is generally more pragmatic, but in many cases it doesn't even seem like they are trying to win at all.
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@rotated said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
I'm the last person to like Trump, but jeez, the Democrats are in real bad way, aren't they?
The past twelve months has been frankly a bizzare showing from the left. The Australian and UK Labor parties staring down the barrel of their third and fourth terms in opposition respectively turning out inept campaigns and now the Democrats kneecapping themselves.
I can understand why the conservative side of politics is generally more pragmatic, but in many cases it doesn't even seem like they are trying to win at all.
As Orwell - Left-leaning but also deeply patriotic and pragmatic - observed of the Left:
“The truth is that, to many people calling themselves Socialists, revolution does not mean a movement of the masses with which they hope to associate themselves; it means a set of reforms which 'we', the clever ones, are going to impose upon 'them'”
The Left ain't as clever as they think, nor are the masses stupid.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
I'm the last person to like Trump, but jeez, the Democrats are in real bad way, aren't they?
I’ve never been a fan of arch-conservative commentator (and an original Never-Trumper, who has since softened his disdain) Erik Erickson, but I did like his comment that Trump’s real super-power is his ability to make his enemies behave in all the awful ways that they are forever accusing him. He’s right. It’s been a three-year exercise in projection.
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@Tim Carville has been going apeshit this week, justifiably.
“We’re losing our damn minds”: James Carville unloads on the Democratic Party
Why the longtime Democratic strategist is “scared to death” of the 2020 election.
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We have candidates on the debate stage talking about open borders and decriminalizing illegal immigration. They’re talking about doing away with nuclear energy and fracking. You’ve got Bernie Sanders talking about letting criminals and terrorists vote from jail cells. It doesn’t matter what you think about any of that, or if there are good arguments — talking about that is not how you win a national election. It’s not how you become a majoritarian party.
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We have candidates on the debate stage talking about open borders and decriminalizing illegal immigration. They’re talking about doing away with nuclear energy and fracking. You’ve got Bernie Sanders talking about letting criminals and terrorists vote from jail cells. It doesn’t matter what you think about any of that, or if there are good arguments — talking about that is not how you win a national election. It’s not how you become a majoritarian party.
Sounds like the Labour Party in the UK - just more bonkers and weirder.
Don't the Left want to win elections anymore?
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