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@sparky said in US Politics:
Longer clip of Bloomberg's being mugged:
What a car crash. Not just Bloomberg either, love the optics of Biden explaining how to remove a harrassment non-disclosure agreement and then mixing his words all up.
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Good piece this. The Democrat field is very weak. Buttigieg is the most eloquent and savvy, but he has no national or international policy experience. Unless something happens soon, they are going to have an aged candidate from the far Left lane who is on record having praised the USSR:
https://spectator.us/struggling-democrats-hit-wrong-targets-nevada-democratic-debate/
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@sparky said in US Politics:
Terrible start to the debate for Bloomberg in Vegas (see below) . Pete Buttigieg and Liz Warren probably the two most impressive Democrats on that stage. Bit of a car crash all round. Superb night for Trump:
Interesting, on a few american sites I visit she surprisingly had a few supporters for doing stuff like this https://www.ccjdigital.com/senator-presses-for-easier-transition-into-truck-driving-jobs-for-military-vets/ and Tucker Carlson read out something he liked that she wrote about corporate America being a drain on the country and she decided to base her campaign around social justice hashtags instead.
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It truly is staggering that 4 years after Trump got elected in a very close contest, the Democrats find themselves here. No credible clear frontrunner, no realistic challenger to Trump. Biden and Bernie will get absolutely destroyed. Pete doesn't have the background and chops. Warren has made too many mistakes and Bloomberg is too late to the party and not ballsy enough to own/ deflect his screw ups like Don.
It's 4 more years of Trump, I just can't see any other outcome.
Just on Bernie, I almost want to see him get elected just to see the ensuing car crash, and in particular how the woke elite respond. It's unbelievable that a guy with his beliefs could be this close to a nomination.
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It's also been incredible watching the trump presidency for the past 4 years. 4 years ago the smart people said wait and watch what he does, which has been pretty successful and certainly interesting.
What I don't remember, 4 years ago, were any predictions that the opposition would completely lose their minds. That, for 4 years now, there hasn't been a coherent plan to win in 2020 through policies and vote winning has been absolutely staggering. The effort and time spent on slandering and removing him from office by any foul means other than giving voters something to vote for condemns the entire party and the US political media into joke category.
Trump being president was preposterous enough, but the efforts in opposition have to be seen to be believed!
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This feels a bit like deja vu.... The Dems are making pretty much the same mistakes Labour made in the UK.
They are so absolutely consumed with woke lefty libertarian issues that they have lost touch with Main Street.Before this debate, I had held the view that Bloomberg could maybe be their best shot, but he was absolutely shredded and no way he gets the Dem nomination.
Didn't expect this would happen at the time of his election, but Trump is going to cruise to a second term.
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@Billy-Webb said in US Politics:
This feels a bit like deja vu.... The Dems are making pretty much the same mistakes Labour made in the UK.
They are so absolutely consumed with woke lefty libertarian issues that they have lost touch with Main Street.100% disagree on that comparison. UK Labour had no coherent strategy when it came to the electoral arithmetic of wining a majority (both on Brexit and the raft of socialist policies). They also did a terrible job of making the case for reform based on issues that were actually resonating in the community.
Bernie on the other hand has a pretty clear strategy which is to win back the disaffected lower-middle class voters in swing states who voted Trump in 2016. And he keeps tying it back to two big issues being health care and income/opportunity inequality - which are real issues in the mid-west and north-east and not just an ideological pursuit in the case of Corbyn.
We can argue about the effectiveness of that strategy or how realistic his plan is or how the socialist label will spook people - but Bernie clear has a clue where Corbyn didn't.
Ultimately the success or failure of this strategy will most likely hinge on if those in the rust belt who voted Trump in 2016 feel better about their life 4 years on and if they are bullish about the future. That is 90% the economy and a lot can happen in six months.
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@Siam said in US Politics:
What I don't remember, 4 years ago, were any predictions that the opposition would completely lose their minds. That, for 4 years now, there hasn't been a coherent plan to win in 2020 through policies and vote winning has been absolutely staggering.
That happens though, the republicans went nuts under Clinton, the Dems under Reagan.
More shocking (and what has contributed to the chaos in the DNC) is how tightly the Republicans have held together. It was one thing for senior republicans to hold their nose and support Trump for the general election once he got the nomination, but once Hillary was dealt with and they sat in power I expected there to be some destabilisation especially after the mid term loss. The second SC nomination was red meat to the base that went a long way to quelling that and couldn't have been predicted.
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@Siam said in US Politics:
Trump being president was preposterous enough, but the efforts in opposition have to be seen to be believed!
I wonder if this might be a product of the system, and the separation between the presidential race and the day-to-day happenings in Washington.
The Dems are are shambles, no doubt, and the leadership of Pelosi and others has been horrible. But I think with the system as it is it would be really hard not to be.
In the UK, Aus, NZ, the opposition can build momentum in opposition, develop a policy platform, establish a public profile etc. By the time you are a year away from the election, you are hopefully a united front with a clear direction.
But under the US system, we're about 8 months out and it's still a shit show. Candidates across the spectrum flinging mud at each other while Trump gets around on Air Force One giving speeches to clamouring fans. It's like this every time, even when a so-called 'dream candidate' like Obama comes along.
The system is set up to favour the incumbent more than any other. It's why only two elected incumbents have lost in the last 70 years.
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@barbarian said in US Politics:
@Siam said in US Politics:
Trump being president was preposterous enough, but the efforts in opposition have to be seen to be believed!
I wonder if this might be a product of the system, and the separation between the presidential race and the day-to-day happenings in Washington.
The Dems are are shambles, no doubt, and the leadership of Pelosi and others has been horrible. But I think with the system as it is it would be really hard not to be.
In the UK, Aus, NZ, the opposition can build momentum in opposition, develop a policy platform, establish a public profile etc. By the time you are a year away from the election, you are hopefully a united front with a clear direction.
But under the US system, we're about 8 months out and it's still a shit show. Candidates across the spectrum flinging mud at each other while Trump gets around on Air Force One giving speeches to clamouring fans. It's like this every time, even when a so-called 'dream candidate' like Obama comes along.
The system is set up to favour the incumbent more than any other. It's why only two elected incumbents have lost in the last 70 years.
There are elements of truth in what you are saying, but is also giving the democrats a cop out that they dont deserve. They have horrendous policies, hopeless candidates and that is leading to disaster despite almost total control of the media and the deep state.
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