Coronavirus - Overall
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Great hobby/obsession to have when facing weeks of no work or quarantine
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@Nepia said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@Mokey said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Borders are closing to everyone not a NZ citizen or permanent resident at midnight tonight.
I'm so lucky we decided to get back here yesterday otherwise the kids could literally have never seen their grandmother again - she has months left, and they're not citizens 😨
How are they not citizens? You didn't get them passports at birth?
All born in Oz, never got them NZ passports. I could probably do that in Welly in 2 weeks, though that wouldn't help the wife.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@Nepia said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@Mokey said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Borders are closing to everyone not a NZ citizen or permanent resident at midnight tonight.
I'm so lucky we decided to get back here yesterday otherwise the kids could literally have never seen their grandmother again - she has months left, and they're not citizens 😨
How are they not citizens? You didn't get them passports at birth?
All born in Oz, never got them NZ passports. I could probably do that in Welly in 2 weeks, though that wouldn't help the wife.
Every Kiwi I know here personally who has kids got them citizenship at birth. In part probably because in most cases they're not eligible for Oz citizenship, but even the one who married an Aussie bloke made sure she got NZ citizenship. I assume your missus is Australian? I assume it's also pretty easy to get their citizenship?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Interesting article, thanks for sharing. Lots to consider in response to this.
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@chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@Nepia From memory Australian Citizenship costs around $4000 each and you have to have 5 years of 50k+ earnings. You then get to vote and access a few benefits. You still get super, pension, medicare etc as a resident.
I was meaning the kids at birth.
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@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Interesting article, thanks for sharing. Lots to consider in response to this.
Agree, it's very well written, I've been in lots of discussion with friends over this exact point.
Only hindsight will really deliver the answer.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Interesting article, thanks for sharing. Lots to consider in response to this.
Agree, it's very well written, I've been in lots of discussion with friends over this exact point.
Only hindsight will really deliver the answer.
I had a long chat with close friend a couple of days ago about all this. WE lost a mutual friend to the big C 18 months ago. Wife, child, 43 years old.
Would you rather billions spent keeping the likes of this bloke alive, or getting a few more years out of the elderly?
I'm not offering an opinion, as that's massively disrespectful to those who lose their grandies or even their parents through this - as there will be some of us. Made me think tho.
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@MajorRage I also don't know the answer, hence the hindsight reference. I mean, imagine these worst of case pathways, they could both be feasible:
- Current path, health and containment first, leading to global recession, potentially many lives at risk due to poverty, depression, mental illness, or
- Herd mentality approach, economy carries on (at some level), all appears well for a while before the infection rate goes nuts and the disease mutates to be worse for kids than the elderly
Who the hell knows what's going to happen?
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Interesting article, thanks for sharing. Lots to consider in response to this.
Agree, it's very well written, I've been in lots of discussion with friends over this exact point.
Only hindsight will really deliver the answer.
I had a long chat with close friend a couple of days ago about all this. WE lost a mutual friend to the big C 18 months ago. Wife, child, 43 years old.
Would you rather billions spent keeping the likes of this bloke alive, or getting a few more years out of the elderly?
I'm not offering an opinion, as that's massively disrespectful to those who lose their grandies or even their parents through this - as there will be some of us. Made me think tho.
If countries spent more money on research instead of military spending maybe we could cure cancer and shit like coronavirus. But it won't happen once the memories of covid 19 fade. Until the next big event
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Another area where the US govt will need to respond promptly and intelligently to reduce regulations:
Manufacture of medical devices has specific regulation around Good Manufacturing Processes [1] (GMP, one of many GxPs). This requires a Quality Management System [2] (QMS) and very specific training for everyone involved. Pretty much any manufacturer that is not already manufacturing in accordance with 21 CFR Part 820 [3] and related regulations will have a ton of work to establish a suitable QMS.
I'd like to think that at least some auto workers already have some taste of working under the eye of regulators and auditors and as such their adjustment to GMP has the potential to be smooth. The days of leaving empty beverage containers in the hollow of a door are long past, right?Management that is not experienced in FDA regulations will try to ignore or short-cut them. In the best of cases, this turns into fines and manufacturing delays. In the worst of cases, it turns into deaths due to defective product or manufacturing delays. Every level of management needs to be experienced in GxP.
The most reasonable path to getting a QMS in place and having compliant manufacturing would seem to be to have the manufacturing capacity be leant to an established manufacturer that has a solid QMS, the expertise to adapt it to the new reality, and a solid relationship with the FDA. That is, the auto manufacturer's management would need to be out of the picture or 100% subservient to the experienced medical device manufacturer.
Once that is worked out, I suspect that manufacture of the devices is comparatively easy. Put another way, it's probably easier to switch from sedans to tanks than it is to switch from SUVs to almost any medical gizmo.
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@junior said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@voodoo They should have NZ citizenship by descent, even without the passport
I have 3 kids. 1 was born in NZ, 2 in Ireland. All 3 have NZ citizenship but only the 1st can pass on to her kids. They also have Swiss citizenship which can be passed on in perpetuity (on the other hand to become a naturalised Swiss without a Swiss spouse is a long process - 12 years from memory).