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@Kirwan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Duluth said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Tarrant's document is still censored. So please don't discuss the contents
Which itself is pretty incredible in a supposedly free society.
I was just going to ask whether it was ok to criticize or critique the reason for it being censored. Is it or is that a bit risky too?
It's incredible I even have to ask that.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Excellent post Siam. I'm not sure why there is this obsession with putting the lid on everything in this case.
The reply was made to me, so respectfully, where did I mention “putting a lid on everything in this case”?
The atrocity has already been committed. Is it out of respect to the victims? If that's the case then no info, pics etc of any murderer or criminal should be provided.
This was an act of political violence. It was not a garden variety assault, rape or murder. If it was, then it would not have been a huge international story.
We haven’t seen nor heard this guy yet, beyond his “manifesto.”
If you think white supremacist groups and grifters aren’t going to use carefully edited footage of Tarrant to promote their pathology and recruitment, I believe you are being naive. It will be a gift for them. They’ll frame him as a hero and martyr, with video as their proof. That’s my objection, and there’s nothing remotely obsessive about it. Careful with the strawmen arguments, please..
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@Salacious-Crumb said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Excellent post Siam. I'm not sure why there is this obsession with putting the lid on everything in this case.
The reply was made to me, so respectfully, where did I mention “putting a lid on everything in this case”?
The atrocity has already been committed. Is it out of respect to the victims? If that's the case then no info, pics etc of any murderer or criminal should be provided.
This was an act of political violence. It was not a garden variety assault, rape or murder. If it was, then it would not have been a huge international story.
We haven’t seen nor heard this guy yet, beyond his “manifesto.”
If you think white supremacist groups and grifters aren’t going to use carefully edited footage of Tarrant to promote their pathology and recruitment, I believe you are being naive. It will be a gift for them. They’ll frame him as a hero and martyr, with video as their proof. That’s my objection, and there’s nothing remotely obsessive about it. Careful with the strawmen arguments, please..
What on earth are you on about? My post had absolutely nothing to do with you. I didn't even read what you posted. It was a response to Siam and the current policies of the govt.
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@Kirwan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Duluth said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Tarrant's document is still censored. So please don't discuss the contents
Which itself is pretty incredible in a supposedly free society.
Good thing we have a virtuous PM and anointed reporters who are allowed to report on what was in it so we don't have to worry our pretty heads over what might be in it and that we can only assume our leaders actions are the correct ones in response.
I see 21 months prison for that bloke who shared the video. He's a grade A racist fluffybunny without a doubt..but gotta love that precedent. I wonder what that 16 year old is going to get?
Accept the truth your government gives you or go to prison.
"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past"
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@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
He might the first to get life without parole.
We really need to question the system if he doesn't.
If he doesn't get it, nobody will. The main question for the court is whether he could ever be released on parole safely.
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@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
He might the first to get life without parole.
We really need to question the system if he doesn't.
If he doesn't get it, nobody will. The main question for the court is whether he could ever be released on parole safely.
Some things we do in life don't deserve that question to be asked.
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@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
He might the first to get life without parole.
We really need to question the system if he doesn't.
If he doesn't get it, nobody will. The main question for the court is whether he could ever be released on parole safely.
Some things we do in life don't deserve that question to be asked.
The rule of law requires it, but the ideology and actions suggest someone who can't safely be released ever, so the judge can justify it easily enough.
That also means he can't be deported, but that's worth it IMO.
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@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
He might the first to get life without parole.
We really need to question the system if he doesn't.
If he doesn't get it, nobody will. The main question for the court is whether he could ever be released on parole safely.
Some things we do in life don't deserve that question to be asked.
The rule of law requires it, but the ideology and actions suggest someone who can't safely be released ever, so the judge can justify it easily enough.
That also means he can't be deported, but that's worth it IMO.
Yep. Like you said, if this crime doesn't meet the threshold you'd have to wonder what would. Might as well strike it from the books if you can't use it here.
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@Kirwan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
He might the first to get life without parole.
We really need to question the system if he doesn't.
If he doesn't get it, nobody will. The main question for the court is whether he could ever be released on parole safely.
Some things we do in life don't deserve that question to be asked.
The rule of law requires it, but the ideology and actions suggest someone who can't safely be released ever, so the judge can justify it easily enough.
That also means he can't be deported, but that's worth it IMO.
Yep. Like you said, if this crime doesn't meet the threshold you'd have to wonder what would. Might as well strike it from the books if you can't use it here.
The only shadow of doubt is if he's finally listening to his lawyers and the guilty plea is aimed at avoiding life without parole and solitary confinement which is what he was staring down the barrel of.
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@taniwharugby Safety yes, but also that he might infect the other inmates with his beliefs, so if he has renounced his beliefs, then that will stop being an issue (eventually).
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@taniwharugby I doubt anyone will actually believe it for years, but maybe in 20 years or something.
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