Coronavirus - New Zealand
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Stupid move on his part for sure but, I agree, he is more important to stay in place at the moment.
He has been demoted, copped a pay cut and lost an associate portfolio. No doubt also got one hell of an ear-bashing.I'm sure that this media stuff is a product of the hacks that were desperately looking for a scandalous story and were shut down from diverting the message at the presser the other day. A small group kept harping on about it after being told it was being taken seriously but they weren't going to get their little victory. Now they are pissy because they were exposed as click bait writers and are doubling down. It's like a whole group of Ratpoo's after being ignored by the NZRU.
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'm sure that this media stuff is a product of the hacks that were desperately looking for a scandalous story and were shut down from diverting the message at the presser the other day. A small group kept harping on about it after being told it was being taken seriously but they weren't going to get their little victory. Now they are pissy because they were exposed as click bait writers and are doubling down. It's like a whole group of Ratpoo's after being ignored by the NZRU.
I think there's a boredom element creeping into the coverage. With no shocking pandemic on the horizon locally, reporters have turned to uncovering 'scandal' and prosecuting the argument as hard as they can.
Because it's more interesting to read and report on than 'case numbers are steady for another day'.
We've had the same issue in Aus with the Ruby Princess cruise ship. Sure it was a costly blunder but the coverage its getting makes you think its our version of Watergate. But what else is there to talk about?
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And here we go, Labour using the lockdown to get through their idelogy with parliament operating under lockdown. Absolutely no need to rush this in as they are trying to do.
What else are they going to try and sneak in?
I very much disagree with the content of the Bill but I have to say that Nick Smith is either very dumb or shit stirring when in that long post he totally fails to address the quite likely possibility that the Bill needs to move through in order for actions stemming from it to be implemented prior to the election.
So, if there is genuine reason to highlight select committee concerns that haven't been addressed then do so, but trying to paint a picture that this bill is more important to the govt than ones addressing violence for reasons other than timing is mischievous. -
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And here we go, Labour using the lockdown to get through their idelogy with parliament operating under lockdown. Absolutely no need to rush this in as they are trying to do.
What else are they going to try and sneak in?
I very much disagree with the content of the Bill but I have to say that Nick Smith is either very dumb or shit stirring when in that long post he totally fails to address the quite likely possibility that the Bill needs to move through in order for actions stemming from it to be implemented prior to the election.
So, if there is genuine reason to highlight select committee concerns that haven't been addressed then do so, but trying to paint a picture that this bill is more important to the govt than ones addressing violence for reasons other than timing is mischievous.Is Seymour shit shirring as well?
Or are we seeing a pattern here of Labour not wanting to waste a crisis?
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
But what else is there to talk about?
Well, now we have George Pell...
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And here we go, Labour using the lockdown to get through their idelogy with parliament operating under lockdown. Absolutely no need to rush this in as they are trying to do.
What else are they going to try and sneak in?
I very much disagree with the content of the Bill but I have to say that Nick Smith is either very dumb or shit stirring when in that long post he totally fails to address the quite likely possibility that the Bill needs to move through in order for actions stemming from it to be implemented prior to the election.
So, if there is genuine reason to highlight select committee concerns that haven't been addressed then do so, but trying to paint a picture that this bill is more important to the govt than ones addressing violence for reasons other than timing is mischievous.Is Seymour shit shirring as well?
Or are we seeing a pattern here of Labour not wanting to waste a crisis?
No. And I agree that (as he explains it) maybe someone needs to have a rethink about the legislative programme.
My argument isn't with that point, it was with the explanation and motive of Nick Smith who failed to mention basic facts.I might have a look to see what the original timeframes on these were before coming to a conclusion. If, for example, they have had a long time in committee already and are under tactical 'delay' leading to an election then the matter changes somewhat. Most Govt try to cram things through toward the end of the term. I think it is a common gripe.
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@Kirwan I don't think it's a case of trying to rush it through as some sort of secret agenda. It's been well telegraphed as policy and they have the numbers so while I don't agree with it I'm not losing sleep.
Interestingly Matthew Hooton (hardy a leftie) thinks they should keep the current Committee overview structure post lockdown. Thinks it gives the opposition a better chance to scrutinise legislation and does away with the farcical Question Time pantomime. He said it had encouraged proper debate but singled out Seymour as being a bit of a dick.
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Personally, I don't think they should be continuing any new legislation during a lockdown with parliament basically suspended, certainly not speeding up the process and avoiding public involvement.
At best it looks slimy and dishonest.
I don't have strong opinions on the prisoner voting law, not sure that needs to change, but if they try to sneak through the hate speech stuff we are losing basic freedoms.
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@Crucial i don't see the benefit.
Of course our most heavily overseas market dependent operation could run differently. We cut down our days open, and we severely reduce the staff, and look at every aspect of the business. Survive? yes. But there are probably 50 people who don't get their jobs back. A bunch of local suppliers who lose a wedge of trade. Will we charge less? No, because that's not how it works. THe price stays the same, we adjust our costs to meet the greatly reduced turnover.
I mean, maybe you charge less. And run a worse product with no service. And then no one comes anyway.
So i don't exactly get your point to be honest. No one with half a brain is going to ramp straight in to full capacity straight away. But i very much doubt there will be a long period of cheap deals, as just trying to generate volume for volume's sake is a short term proposition.
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Another 54 new and probable cases today, 12 in Hospital, 4 in ICU with 1 in critical condition, still 12 clusters.
241 recovered of the 1160 total
Think JA was asked 3 times if she would sack Clark when things return to normal...
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial i don't see the benefit.
Of course our most heavily overseas market dependent operation could run differently. We cut down our days open, and we severely reduce the staff, and look at every aspect of the business. Survive? yes. But there are probably 50 people who don't get their jobs back. A bunch of local suppliers who lose a wedge of trade. Will we charge less? No, because that's not how it works. THe price stays the same, we adjust our costs to meet the greatly reduced turnover.
I mean, maybe you charge less. And run a worse product with no service. And then no one comes anyway.
So i don't exactly get your point to be honest. No one with half a brain is going to ramp straight in to full capacity straight away. But i very much doubt there will be a long period of cheap deals, as just trying to generate volume for volume's sake is a short term proposition.
Every operation will be different, of course, and I am sorry if yours can only operate with overseas tourist business.
I maintain, though that some will look at things differently and ride things out while waiting for that market to return. That could obviously require adjustment and very likely job losses.
The OP here was that people may look to travel domestically and spend their travel funds as such. Some businesses will be able to adjust and take advantage of that while others won't.
Domestic tourists tend to be more self sufficient and unpredictable. They aren't going to be captured markets on a coach. For some businesses transferring tour group discounts to walk up customers may be enough to attract them in. -
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Another 54 new and probable cases today, 12 in Hospital, 4 in ICU with 1 in critical condition, still 12 clusters.
241 recovered of the 1160 total
Think JA was asked 3 times if she would sack Clark when things return to normal...
It was embarrassing. She clearly explained his punishment and how, in a normal time, he would have been sacked. Explained his punishment in detail as well. Still wasn't enough for the feral press who kept harping on.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Another 54 new and probable cases today, 12 in Hospital, 4 in ICU with 1 in critical condition, still 12 clusters.
241 recovered of the 1160 total
Think JA was asked 3 times if she would sack Clark when things return to normal...
She said he will be demoted did she? I think that is probably what John Key would have done, and it's a darn sight more than she did to Curran(?). He's been a dick and will sit on the sidelines for the foreseeable future. But there's always a way back, just ask Crusher
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Another 54 new and probable cases today, 12 in Hospital, 4 in ICU with 1 in critical condition, still 12 clusters.
241 recovered of the 1160 total
Think JA was asked 3 times if she would sack Clark when things return to normal...
It was embarrassing. She clearly explained his punishment and how, in a normal time, he would have been sacked. Explained his punishment in detail as well. Still wasn't enough for the feral press who kept harping on.
What I thought was unusual was that she kept entertaining that line of questioning. I'm sure I've heard her default to versions of "I've already answered that" much sooner in her press conferences over the years.
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Every operation will be different, of course, and I am sorry if yours can only operate with overseas tourist business.
no one said that
Your original point was the operations are set up to charge premiums to overseas tourists, and will have to drop their prices for domestic tourists, which isn't correct in my experience. There isn't some Chinese premium added to the top, most especially because, if they can get it cheaper, they will go down the road in a heartbeat.