Coronavirus - New Zealand
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on a purely personal note, I'm just waiting to hear what the overseas travel restrictions will be in the medium term - I have a household lot of goods in storage in Australia that I may not be able to get shipped over for years. It would be nice to have all my books, hobby stuff, paintings and tech gear back.
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It would be borderline criminal to extend this lockdown.
That’s getting a bit carried away.
Criminal?I think you can say anything after the word "borderline" and get away with it can't you?
But yeah, criminal is obviously a reach - but I genuinely do think we are entering into some sort of wilful destruction territory.
We have 18 people in hospital total!!!!
The data is now in , we know enough to act faster than we thought we could. There is no magic over the initial 4 weeks, we should be out of this now, and we certainly shouldn't be extending the pain.
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@SynicBast said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
on a purely personal note, I'm just waiting to hear what the overseas travel restrictions will be in the medium term - I have a household lot of goods in storage in Australia that I may not be able to get shipped over for years. It would be nice to have all my books, hobby stuff, paintings and tech gear back.
I hear you. We have a house in Sydney that we have rented out, stuff in a storage facility there, stuff in our place in Bali, and a few suitcases here in NZ!
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It would be borderline criminal to extend this lockdown.
That’s getting a bit carried away.
Criminal?Irresponsible would be the word I’d have used.
After watching that update we are certainly being prepared for another week at least level 4 IMO.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It would be borderline criminal to extend this lockdown.
That’s getting a bit carried away.
Criminal?Irresponsible would be the word I’d have used.
After watching that update we are certainly being prepared for another week at least level 4 IMO.
Are you serious!???!!!
I didn't see it today - but that's unbelievable!!!!!
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It would be borderline criminal to extend this lockdown.
That’s getting a bit carried away.
Criminal?Irresponsible would be the word I’d have used.
After watching that update we are certainly being prepared for another week at least level 4 IMO.
Are you serious!???!!!
I didn't see it today - but that's unbelievable!!!!!
The stats are great, and one of the criteria is the community transmission checks.
Lots of comments along the lines of we have to stick this out, we have to be sure, worries about other countries leaving level 4 too early, having process in place for a potential surge (that they put a week time frame on).
So wouldn’t be surprised if it’s another week.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It would be borderline criminal to extend this lockdown.
That’s getting a bit carried away.
Criminal?Irresponsible would be the word I’d have used.
After watching that update we are certainly being prepared for another week at least level 4 IMO.
Are you serious!???!!!
I didn't see it today - but that's unbelievable!!!!!
The stats are great, and one of the criteria is the community transmission checks.
Lots of comments along the lines of we have to stick this out, we have to be sure, worries about other countries leaving level 4 too early, having process in place for a potential surge (that they put a week time frame on).
So wouldn’t be surprised if it’s another week.
I hope that the tone is just to ensure people adhere to L4 for the remaining week or so rather than act like we are in L3 already
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Personally I’d like to see Level 3 this week. Though my guess is that Level 4 might well be extended until ANZAC Monday.
If so, the pitch would probably be on the grounds of not having to return to Level 4 again In the future/concerns about people getting too slack over the long weekend.
50/50? Tomorrow will be very interesting...
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Getting decent contact tracing in place ahead of any relaxation I think will be the cause of any additional days in level 4. Also I don't think the level 3 we saw prior will be permitted - I'm thinking more a 3.25-3.5 level. The original l;evel 3 was a hastily cobbled together reaction - the powers that be have had a lot more time to assemble the guidelines and detailed explanations this time around - if things are unclear then they should be criticised for that definitely.
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If they extend this thing past the weekend because they "don't trust us", that's police state shit .
We citizens now can't be trusted by our all-knowing government??? Trusted to dp/not do what??? There is fuck all to do in L3!
Are we all going to jump in our speedboats? Start hugging strangers in the supermarket? Open illegal bars and massage parlours???
I know some of you disagree, but I'm getting really concerned with Government overreach here.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
After watching that update we are certainly being prepared for another week at least level 4 IMO.
Maybe. The questions in the press conference mostly related to this story. Perhaps the govt may not be ready to move down a level?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12325778
So it looks like there may be another poor public sector IT project. There'll be some developers working long hours right now..
Many of their concerns relate to the outdated system used by the Institute of Environmental Science and Research (ESR) to manage the data about Covid-19 cases - referred to by one source as a "dinosaur". There are fears the system cannot work quickly enough to isolate positive cases and stop transmission. Another expert told the Herald the way the data is structured in the system is one of the barriers to properly mapping and tracing clusters. It requires manual work to get the information out, rather than being exported in a structured way. This is on top of concerns already raised by external scientists about the way New Zealand's devolved health system - the district health boards and the public health units - feed the data into that system. One scientist this week said some of the information is still shared by fax machine.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
If they extend this thing past the weekend because they "don't trust us", that's police state shit .
We citizens now can't be trusted by our all-knowing government??? Trusted to dp/not do what??? There is fuck all to do in L3!
Are we all going to jump in our speedboats? Start hugging strangers in the supermarket? Open illegal bars and massage parlours???
I know some of you disagree, but I'm getting really concerned with Government overreach here.
Welcome on board my wagon.....
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@SynicBast said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
on a purely personal note, I'm just waiting to hear what the overseas travel restrictions will be in the medium term - I have a household lot of goods in storage in Australia that I may not be able to get shipped over for years. It would be nice to have all my books, hobby stuff, paintings and tech gear back.
That wont be effected, in fact you could get them to NZ now. PM me if you need help.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@SynicBast said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
on a purely personal note, I'm just waiting to hear what the overseas travel restrictions will be in the medium term - I have a household lot of goods in storage in Australia that I may not be able to get shipped over for years. It would be nice to have all my books, hobby stuff, paintings and tech gear back.
That wont be effected, in fact you could get them to NZ now. PM me if you need help.
Many thnaks, I'll need to go over anyway to sort out what I really don't need to keep anyway - It was a rush to get everything in storage as it was so a lot of stuff would need to be reboxed and repacked before I can even contemplate arranging for freight.
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Level 3 lets more people go to work, but it's hardly a huge improvement on level 4 in terms of the cage doors opening.
However, in good news, apparently, not only is our curve flattening, it's exponentially reducing - halving every 5 days. At this rate, we are probably looking at a total of 6-8 weeks at levels 3&4 (so another 2-4 weeks) and then back to level 2.
The rest of the world is rightly envious of that, because they're generally looking at months of the equivalent of level 3+. 4 weeks seems a bit early to be rolling out the civil liberties flag - human rights and civil liberties are critically important to the NZ democracy, but the most important right is the right to life because the rest are not much use to dead people.
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@Kirwan I hate saying this, but I'm worried about my bro in lockdown in nz.
We've always been level 2 (lots more human interaction, work and opportunities to get out of the house) and judging by numbers it's no more deadly than level 4.Speaking to relatives there, the conversations end in "well better to be safe and we'll see in the long run", almost an unhealthy reliance on this thing proving level 4 a country saving success. But a look over the Ta$man shows another way, with very comparable numbers and a health system coping.
I wish Cindy would relax your living conditions. It's too much. It bothers me greatly
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Level 3 lets more people go to work, but it's hardly a huge improvement on level 4 in terms of the cage doors opening.
However, in good news, apparently, not only is our curve flattening, it's exponentially reducing - halving every 5 days. At this rate, we are probably looking at a total of 6-8 weeks at levels 3&4 (so another 2-4 weeks) and then back to level 2.
The rest of the world is rightly envious of that, because they're generally looking at months of the equivalent of level 3+. 4 weeks seems a bit early to be rolling out the civil liberties flag - human rights and civil liberties are critically important to the NZ democracy, but the most important right is the right to life because the rest are not much use to dead people.
And a cratered economy is a damn sight harder on people on the other side.
This is exactly the sort of scare mongering that drove that poll result.
The original justification for this lockdown was not to eliminate the disease but to prevent our health system from being overwhelmed. That has been achieved and over the last four weeks process and capacity has been added to help even more with that.
So let’s move down the levels fast, test appropriately, contain regional reoccurrence, and get back to normalise life.
Even today Cindy was downplaying the huge impact this is having on the economy. “Doing in tough” is not even close to what’s coming IMO.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Level 3 lets more people go to work, but it's hardly a huge improvement on level 4 in terms of the cage doors opening.
However, in good news, apparently, not only is our curve flattening, it's exponentially reducing - halving every 5 days. At this rate, we are probably looking at a total of 6-8 weeks at levels 3&4 (so another 2-4 weeks) and then back to level 2.
The rest of the world is rightly envious of that, because they're generally looking at months of the equivalent of level 3+. 4 weeks seems a bit early to be rolling out the civil liberties flag - human rights and civil liberties are critically important to the NZ democracy, but the most important right is the right to life because the rest are not much use to dead people.
And a cratered economy is a damn sight harder on people on the other side.
This is exactly the sort of scare mongering that drove that poll result.
The original justification for this lockdown was not to eliminate the disease but to prevent our health system from being overwhelmed. That has been achieved and over the last four weeks process and capacity has been added to help even more with that.
So let’s move down the levels fast, test appropriately, contain regional reoccurrence, and get back to normalise life.
Even today Cindy was downplaying the huge impact this is having on the economy. “Doing in tough” is not even close to what’s coming IMO.
If I could upvote twice, I would