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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Virgil I'm neither happy nor unhappy. It was kind of expected.
It may have been expected, but I'm furious.
Were you travelling north this weekend under L3?
Had flights booked for the 27th. They're now dead. No flights available until 25 May (!!!), luckily I also had a ferry booked for 1 May which looks like our best option at the moment.
But I'm way more angry for the people losing jobs and businesses than I am for me. This flippant 4 day extension is just outrageous.
I'm amazed you could even book flights for 27th tbh.
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Virgil I'm neither happy nor unhappy. It was kind of expected.
It may have been expected, but I'm furious.
Were you travelling north this weekend under L3?
Had flights booked for the 27th. They're now dead. No flights available until 25 May (!!!), luckily I also had a ferry booked for 1 May which looks like our best option at the moment.
But I'm way more angry for the people losing jobs and businesses than I am for me. This flippant 4 day extension is just outrageous.
I'm amazed you could even book flights for 27th tbh.
Booked those a week ago.
I've now cancelled those and rebooked flights from ChCh to Wellington on the 29th. Best I can manage
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I'd have stuck with this week, but 2 working days and avoiding a bunch of region breaches for the long weekend has some merit. Businesses being allowed to prepare from today for opening is obvious but at least it occurred to someone.
Seems a good reason to avoid yoyos between levels.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Virgil I'm neither happy nor unhappy. It was kind of expected.
It may have been expected, but I'm furious.
Were you travelling north this weekend under L3?
Had flights booked for the 27th. They're now dead. No flights available until 25 May (!!!), luckily I also had a ferry booked for 1 May which looks like our best option at the moment.
But I'm way more angry for the people losing jobs and businesses than I am for me. This flippant 4 day extension is just outrageous.
I'm amazed you could even book flights for 27th tbh.
Booked those a week ago.
I've now cancelled those and rebooked flights from ChCh to Wellington on the 29th. Best I can manage
Pretty irresponsible of the airline to be taking bookings on a presumption (unless they made that clear)
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Pretty irresponsible of the airline to be taking bookings on a presumption (unless they made that clear)
They are probably operating the flight anyway (as airfreight) so up to the government if people are allowed on it.
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Virgil I'm neither happy nor unhappy. It was kind of expected.
It may have been expected, but I'm furious.
Were you travelling north this weekend under L3?
Had flights booked for the 27th. They're now dead. No flights available until 25 May (!!!), luckily I also had a ferry booked for 1 May which looks like our best option at the moment.
But I'm way more angry for the people losing jobs and businesses than I am for me. This flippant 4 day extension is just outrageous.
I'm amazed you could even book flights for 27th tbh.
Booked those a week ago.
I've now cancelled those and rebooked flights from ChCh to Wellington on the 29th. Best I can manage
Pretty irresponsible of the airline to be taking bookings on a presumption (unless they made that clear)
Dunno, guess the airlines knew as little as us?
we booked flexible fares, so our new fares are actually cheaper, albeit nowhere near as convenient.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'd have stuck with this week, but 2 working days and avoiding a bunch of region breaches for the long weekend has some merit. Businesses being allowed to prepare from today for opening is obvious but at least it occurred to someone.
Seems a good reason to avoid yoyos between levels.
I absolutely fucking hated it when JA said "2 working days". What fucking decade is she living in??? Has she spoken to the Queenstown cafes and restaurants that do the vast majority of their trade on the weekend?
And what on earth are the criteria that we didn't meet to achieve 12pm on the 23rd, or that we must meet to hit 12pm on the 27th?
This is so stupid. If people's livelihoods weren't being destroyed, it would acrually be comical.
14 people in hospital. Less than 10 new cases per day. And we are killing the economy.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And what on earth are the criteria that we didn't meet to achieve 12pm on the 23rd, or that we must meet to hit 12pm on the 27th?
The thing I don't get is we're sort of in a Level 3 already, with staff allowed to go back to work. I just don't see the change in risk profile - if it's 'stay at home for the long weekend', say so, and put out the checkpoints they did for easter. L3 still drives contactless business, and with no community transmission of any note, is it really giong to make a difference?
The announcement words didn't fill me with confidence either. The 'only two working days' and 'the worst thing we can do is yo yo' didn't seem to understand a lot of modern business revenue ... it's a real 9-5 M-F mindset.
Still, in the scheme of things, it's another nail in the coffin, but not catastrophic. But, it's the culmination of lots of things - another 5 days, a minimum wage rise, uncertainty on what operations can happen ... basically lots to pile onto small businesses, not much to help them survive beyond a direct wage subsidy that doesn't help them to help themselves.
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I guess the other thing to consider, is if they 'opened' things up to L3, over a 'long weekend' there would likely have been a decent chunk of people who would have taken the opportunity to go away for the weekend.
Sadly, I think alot of people still need hand holding through this and have things explained to them.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And what on earth are the criteria that we didn't meet to achieve 12pm on the 23rd, or that we must meet to hit 12pm on the 27th?
Well some MP's are claiming the delay is because the Governments contact tracing system isn't ready.
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@Duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And what on earth are the criteria that we didn't meet to achieve 12pm on the 23rd, or that we must meet to hit 12pm on the 27th?
Well some MP's are claiming the delay is because the Governments contact tracing system isn't ready.
Will be pretty cool when we have this "gold standard" tracing system to use on our 8 new cases per day...
Hope nobody does a VFM calc on that!
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
New Zealander’s are being asked to keep a diary of where they have been and who they have been in contact with.
Is that for real?
Does the Fern count?
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And what on earth are the criteria that we didn't meet to achieve 12pm on the 23rd, or that we must meet to hit 12pm on the 27th?
If you can make the decision about going to level 3 today, then surely delaying the date is more about fear than it is about the information. It seems like they're hedging their bets to me.
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@Anonymous dunno, as above one of the scientists providning modelling was saying 2 more week to 'eliminate' the virus, yet if it was that simple, I expect JA would have taken that option, I know it isnt as simplistic, but I think they saw this option as the 'easy out' to try to appease the most people...
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'd have stuck with this week, but 2 working days and avoiding a bunch of region breaches for the long weekend has some merit. Businesses being allowed to prepare from today for opening is obvious but at least it occurred to someone.
Seems a good reason to avoid yoyos between levels.
I absolutely fucking hated it when JA said "2 working days". What fucking decade is she living in??? Has she spoken to the Queenstown cafes and restaurants that do the vast majority of their trade on the weekend?
And what on earth are the criteria that we didn't meet to achieve 12pm on the 23rd, or that we must meet to hit 12pm on the 27th?
This is so stupid. If people's livelihoods weren't being destroyed, it would acrually be comical.
14 people in hospital. Less than 10 new cases per day. And we are killing the economy.
The Queenstown hospitality sector is going to be in ruins no matter what the government does. That's not to say that every business is going under, but when a region goes from 20,000 people + 3.9 million annual visitors to whatever the current numbers look like, there will be a lot businesses going under.
Likewise hospo in general - take away tourism and throw in a GDP hit, and a lot of the sector is finished. If the margins are so thin that week or two is unsurvivable, maybe the new economy was unsurvivable as well.
It was interesting to me that Hospitality NZ thinks this is doom for everyone, while the Restaurant Association think takeaways and delivery should be enough for their members to get through this.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It was interesting to me that Hospitality NZ thinks this is doom for everyone, while the Restaurant Association think takeaways and delivery should be enough for their members to get through this.
One of the local "upmarket" places has been getting by selling stuff out of the warehouse at the back. Not just booze but also stuff like pizza bases, sourdough bread, fresh produce etc.
But let's face it: when it is $100 for 2 cases of Corona, and specials like the one below, FUCK the fresh produce
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'd have stuck with this week, but 2 working days and avoiding a bunch of region breaches for the long weekend has some merit. Businesses being allowed to prepare from today for opening is obvious but at least it occurred to someone.
Seems a good reason to avoid yoyos between levels.
I absolutely fucking hated it when JA said "2 working days". What fucking decade is she living in??? Has she spoken to the Queenstown cafes and restaurants that do the vast majority of their trade on the weekend?
And what on earth are the criteria that we didn't meet to achieve 12pm on the 23rd, or that we must meet to hit 12pm on the 27th?
This is so stupid. If people's livelihoods weren't being destroyed, it would acrually be comical.
14 people in hospital. Less than 10 new cases per day. And we are killing the economy.
The Queenstown hospitality sector is going to be in ruins no matter what the government does. That's not to say that every business is going under, but when a region goes from 20,000 people + 3.9 million annual visitors to whatever the current numbers look like, there will be a lot businesses going under.
Likewise hospo in general - take away tourism and throw in a GDP hit, and a lot of the sector is finished. If the margins are so thin that week or two is unsurvivable, maybe the new economy was unsurvivable as well.
It was interesting to me that Hospitality NZ thinks this is doom for everyone, while the Restaurant Association think takeaways and delivery should be enough for their members to get through this.
Just give them all a fucking chance . What does taking away these 4 days do for the Covid "fight"? Because we can totally quantify whatvos does to the local economy.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Anonymous dunno, as above one of the scientists providning modelling was saying 2 more week to 'eliminate' the virus, yet if it was that simple, I expect JA would have taken that option, I know it isnt as simplistic, but I think they saw this option as the 'easy out' to try to appease the most people...
I suppose it wasn't entirely obvious that I was talking about the fear of making the "wrong" decision. They chose the option where they aren't really making a decision. So we agree about it being the 'easy out'.
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It was interesting to me that Hospitality NZ thinks this is doom for everyone, while the Restaurant Association think takeaways and delivery should be enough for their members to get through this.
One of the local "upmarket" places has been getting by selling stuff out of the warehouse at the back. Not just booze but also stuff like pizza bases, sourdough bread, fresh produce etc.
But let's face it: when it is $100 for 2 cases of Corona, and specials like the one below, FUCK the fresh produce
edit- - hang on, they're just shot size bottles?
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