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You realise me & Godder are different people right?<br><br>
Tho' on his behalf, how about Barry Goldwater? He def doubled down & got absolutely destroyed.... wee bit before the Tea Party, but he tacked very far right to win the primaries...</p></blockquote>
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Er yes. Did you miss the bit when you responded after I questioned him about it?<br><br>
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<p>You clearly missed the elected Republican saying that it worked out great for Americas blacks. And then writing a book saying that.</p> -
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<p>The Iowa caucus is tomorrow and it looks like Donald J Trump will win the Republican contest. The Tea Party have been toxic for the GOP.</p>
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<p>The crazy thing the last few weeks has been top Republicans going "fuck, Rubio is just not happening?!" and then realising it could really be Cruz or Trump & holding their nose & endorsing Trump. There's even been the odd Republican saying if its Cruz v Hillary he'd go Hillary.</p>
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<p>Palin endorsing Trump was huge, swung a massive chunk of the crazy over from Cruz.</p>
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<p>Please explain.<br><br>
Does tbis mean "not batshit crazy"?</p>
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<p>I mean his policies are right enough to to get most republicans, but centrist enough to make undecided middle ground folks go with him. And maybe even some Democrats.</p>
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<p>So for example Cruz & Rubio both want a fence to stop Mexicans. Despite the fact that's financially impossible. But Cruz wants to throw out babies born in the US to immigrant parents and offer zero path to citizenship for illegal immigrants. Which is impossible & loses him the entire hispanic vote. Rubio would make some sort of deal re path to citizenship. Both would scrap Obamas presidential order. Clinton would keep Obamas order & doesn't want a fence.</p>
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<p>The fence is kinda farcical as its just a soundbite, its like saying they'll make laser turrets to shoot down ISIS drones flying from Libya. While the Obama bit is just pandering to the "All Obama bad!" idea, again it doesn't actually need to happen. The real issue is the 11m undocumented immigrants. The centre, regardless of Dem or Rep. gets they need to get them to citizenship somehow, so to win that centre you need to be saying that its an issue & the only way to solve it is let most of them become citizens.</p>
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<p>Same on almost all issues.</p>
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<p>In the past the Republicans have flirted with unelectable crazy (Bachman, Palin, Buchanan etc) but they always ultimately go for a guy who can actually win (Romney, Bush). Cruz & Trump can't win the presidential election. And everyone knows that. (Tho' Trump maybe could if Bloomberg runs). Rubio very much could win v Hillary, so you assume they will eventually get behind him.</p>
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<p>The 2 problems the Republicans face is Trump doesn't need the party machine nor donor money to stay in. While Cruz hasn't imploded fast enough. The 2 of them are squeezing Rubio out - also a host of no hopers like Christie & Jeb that should drop out & back Rubio aren't. If Rubio can get a good 3rd in Iowa & those guys bow out after getting destroyed & their donors switch to Rubio he might be OK.</p>
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<p>If you look at Carson thats the usual trajectory for the nutjob fringe. 6 Months ago everyone loved him. Now he's dogshit. And what everyone assumed would happen with Trump. Missing the point he has 4 billion dollars & the press can't get enough of him. And now he's got this far they are terrorfied that if they chuck him out he'll run as an independant, handing the election to Hillary. So they are fucked. He wins the nomination, he'll lose. He loses he <strong><em>might </em></strong>go 3rd party, and Hillary will walk it. So they sort of need him to lose the nomination but be made to feel he's now the spiritual leader of the party. Hence some prominant guys suddenly climbing up his arse. </p> -
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<p>Bernie Sanders is pretty much the yanks Jeremy Corbyn isn't he? Also he's getting on a bit.</p>
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<p>What does it all mean?</p>
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<p>The big thing is whether those are real results of entrance/exit polls.</p>
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<p>Note to self, invariably to be forgotten four years from now when Tom Cotton is locked into a fierce battle in the Iowa caucuses with Sarah Palin and Charles Barkley: Be careful with those entrance polls. Initial entrance poll data showed leads for Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton; Clinton is still leading among Democrats but not by much, while Trump trails Ted Cruz among Republicans by 3 percentage points. The entrance polls also inaccurately had Rick Santorum in third place in Iowa four years ago.</p>
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