Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain
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Watched first half. Ardie wasn't bad, but always just off at breakdown. A fit Sam may have affected a couple of turnovers, and would have been more effective covering for Ritchie M's tackling weakness, which lead to two of England's three best breaks.
I still think we gave England far too easy a ride in the first 5-10 minutes. Cane's physical presence would have blunted England's attack and stopped them getting on the front foot so early.
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@akan004 said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Joe Moody missed a lot of tackles that night. Probably his worst performance in a black jersey.
I guess you haven't heard about that day Joe put on a black v-neck and proceeded to accidentally run over his neighbours cat, dropped his lunch on the floor (carpet) on the way out to the deck and then to top it all off had a sloppy shit where half of it sprayed on that top ledge bit of the bowl. Bought an instant kiwi that was a dud too.
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List from Fitzy on, with number of captained matches in brackets
Fitz (51)
Henderson (1)
Marshall (4)
Randell (22)
Blackadder (10 - honestly thought it was more)
Oliver (10)
Thorne (23)
Umaga (21)
McCaw (110)
Collins J (3)
So'oialo (5)
Mealamu (3)
Muliana (3)
Hore (1)
Read (52)
Cane (3)
Smith B (1)
Whitelock S (6)
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@Canes4life Ardie is not an 8 or even a 6. We need more size at these positions.
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Don’t have a problem with it with what’s available.
Now, if only we had some games to see how it goes .
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@Toddy NZ's best player last year on the bench? I don't think so. Who would be ahead of him?
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@MajorRage said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Pretty good start Fossie.
Or a continuation of his old Chiefs selection strategy? Waikato stacking?
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Best bet for me is 6. Big mofo like Grace or Sotutu 7. Cane 8. Savea (he's a better 8 than 6 as he can use his speed off the back of the scrum here).
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I think he has been given the job with an eye to him being the right man to transition to a new regime. Whitelock carries to look of the last setup and is probably also carrying some 'blame' of not leading by example in the semi.
If there is a desire to get some new blood and a tougher forward edge then Cane is the man who will hit hard and set the tone. -
@Canes4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Best bet for me is 6. Big mofo like Grace or Sotutu 7. Cane 8. Savea (he's a better 8 than 6 as he can use his speed off the back of the scrum here).
He's been on the side for defensive scrums (fast at getting off and interfering) and back for offensive scrums for ages with the ABs
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@Canes4life The Captain.
Don't get me wrong. I don't think Cane is a better 7 than Savea. Cane is probably better against some teams but I don't believe he is out right a better 7.
I don't think the combination of starting Savea and Cane is a strong well rounded trio. My preference would be to start one or the other and not shoehorn them in to get our 'best' players on the park.
I would be more open to it if Akira was playing to his potential (lineout may still be too short) but I can't see any other loosie in NZ filling the gap. Grace would add height but no real carrying ability leaving Ardie to be the only ball carrier in the trio. Dalton may be a goer but I still worry about his concrete feet. Maybe Sotutu but he's a complete rookie.
It does look like it's going to be Foster's short term solution.
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@Toddy said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I would be more open to it if Akira was playing to his potential (lineout may still be too short) but I can't see any other loosie in NZ filling the gap. Grace would add height but no real carrying ability leaving Ardie to be the only ball carrier in the trio. Dalton may be a goer but I still worry about his concrete feet. Maybe Sotutu but he's a complete rookie.
Tom Robinson would be the best fit. He’s fixed his accuracy issues this year
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@Bones said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@akan004 said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Joe Moody missed a lot of tackles that night. Probably his worst performance in a black jersey.
I guess you haven't heard about that day Joe put on a black v-neck and proceeded to accidentally run over his neighbours cat, dropped his lunch on the floor (carpet) on the way out to the deck and then to top it all off had a sloppy shit where half of it sprayed on that top ledge bit of the bowl. Bought an instant kiwi that was a dud too.
This is why you didn't win the Fern Comedian award.
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The loose forward trio is all about balance so it will depend on what roles Foster and Plumtree want from each position. Look at how Read's role changed with age from playing on the flanks to becoming a tighter player.
Even though Gatland played Cane at no.8 for the Chiefs against the Blues, much to Sam's surprise, I don't think he is suited to that position. Cane could be the option at 6, and he is a similar size to Messam would did well in the same position. That would allow Savea to remain at 7 if they find a ball-carrying no.8 (e.g. Sotutu, Ioane). But if Ardie stays at no.8 then Cane will be the openside and the 6 needs to be a lineout option, Savea providing the ball-carrying. Frizell would probably have the inside running.
I am assuming S Barrett starts at lock with Whitelock so that excludes him from being that option at 6. He lacks speed to play there anyway against most opposition.
