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If this thread is anything to go by, Trump's ploy of diverting the general narrative and dividing the focus is working. It has become so normal to hear him state untruths and totally incorrect facts that there is now hardly a reaction. Perhaps people are tired of being shouted down or called names should they question what is unquestionably wrong? Even Trump says that reporters are 'nasty' for pointing out that the emperor may have no clothes on.
Those of you that have somehow brought into this rubbish that he is hard done by, targeted unfairly or is just playing everybody in a clever way, answer this.
Why is it that he cannot take or address any question from any reporter that does not fit a lie or questions a lie that he has just uttered?
Why does he insist on playing with lives by not offering clear leadership around the largest crisis to hit the US in 70 years? Is that being cunning?
Why does he retweet extreme right wing conspiracy theories if he supposedly isn't 'extreme' himself (or have sympathetic views)
Why does a 73 year old man that is (by his own accounts) smart, intelligent and a great deal maker, continue to call others by childish names?
Why does he feel that he can publicly accuse people of crimes without a shred of evidence, and even tag them with the name 'pyscho'?The guy is an asshat, plain and simple.
I can understand how he got voted in out of two unsavoury options and how some would have taken a chance that disruption was possibly going to turn out better for them than the status quo. I can even understand how some may have reason to believe that he isn't just riding an economic upturn that was already trending up before he took power. I can also understand how some elements of the media aren't impartial when it comes to reporting on every wrong thing he does no matter how minor.
What I can't understand is how people can in any shape or form not see that he is a complete narcissist. Everything he does, he asks himself whether he can insist on praise afterward whether deserved or not. Are people really happy to ignore the leader of the country not just bending the occasional truth (as all politicians do) but outright lying very single day then refusing to address questioning about the lies? Do they not see danger in having a Commander in Chief of a very large military who has thin skin, throws tantrums and ignores advice?
Can they not see that the so-called 'drainer of the swamp' has simply created his own swamp beside the one that was there and populated it with his friends and family?In short even if you dislike any degree of left political views and are fully believing that the economy is the solution to all, can you not also see what an asshat the man is and stop deriding those that dislike him with cries that they are deranged?
The derangement lies elsewhere.Rant over.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
In short even if you dislike any degree of left political views and are fully believing that the economy is the solution to all, can you not also see what an asshat the man is and stop deriding those that dislike him with cries that they are deranged?
The derangement lies elsewhere.Rant over.
Dipping my toe into US Politics thread with some trepidation - but do you have a feel for whether you think he'll get re-elected in November? I was convinced he didn't have a hope the first time around, but it turns out that I know nothing about this (like almost everyone else)
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@nzzp said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
In short even if you dislike any degree of left political views and are fully believing that the economy is the solution to all, can you not also see what an asshat the man is and stop deriding those that dislike him with cries that they are deranged?
The derangement lies elsewhere.Rant over.
Dipping my toe into US Politics thread with some trepidation - but do you have a feel for whether you think he'll get re-elected in November? I was convinced he didn't have a hope the first time around, but it turns out that I know nothing about this (like almost everyone else)
Some interesting things coming out of polling and surveys at the moment (which may mean nothing come election time) but he is well behind in the swing states at the moment.
Also, the potentially most telling one is if people who dislike both he and Biden are pushed to a decision it is 70% in favour of Biden (according to one poll). The comparative at the last election (those that dislike Clinton and Trump) was 55% in favour of Trump.My view is that when people that aren't happy are offered an option of change they tend to go for it. That happened last time.
EDIT: What I really fear for is that if he does lose, he and his extreme supporters will not accept the outcome. The divisions and nastiness have increased during his tenure (partly driven and encouraged by him). It could get really ugly. Way uglier than just Fox News having an agenda against Biden.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
If this thread is anything to go by, Trump's ploy of diverting the general narrative and dividing the focus is working. It has become so normal to hear him state untruths and totally incorrect facts that there is now hardly a reaction. Perhaps people are tired of being shouted down or called names should they question what is unquestionably wrong? Even Trump says that reporters are 'nasty' for pointing out that the emperor may have no clothes on.
Those of you that have somehow brought into this rubbish that he is hard done by, targeted unfairly or is just playing everybody in a clever way, answer this.
Why is it that he cannot take or address any question from any reporter that does not fit a lie or questions a lie that he has just uttered?
Why does he insist on playing with lives by not offering clear leadership around the largest crisis to hit the US in 70 years? Is that being cunning?
Why does he retweet extreme right wing conspiracy theories if he supposedly isn't 'extreme' himself (or have sympathetic views)
Why does a 73 year old man that is (by his own accounts) smart, intelligent and a great deal maker, continue to call others by childish names?
Why does he feel that he can publicly accuse people of crimes without a shred of evidence, and even tag them with the name 'pyscho'?The guy is an asshat, plain and simple.
I can understand how he got voted in out of two unsavoury options and how some would have taken a chance that disruption was possibly going to turn out better for them than the status quo. I can even understand how some may have reason to believe that he isn't just riding an economic upturn that was already trending up before he took power. I can also understand how some elements of the media aren't impartial when it comes to reporting on every wrong thing he does no matter how minor.
What I can't understand is how people can in any shape or form not see that he is a complete narcissist. Everything he does, he asks himself whether he can insist on praise afterward whether deserved or not. Are people really happy to ignore the leader of the country not just bending the occasional truth (as all politicians do) but outright lying very single day then refusing to address questioning about the lies? Do they not see danger in having a Commander in Chief of a very large military who has thin skin, throws tantrums and ignores advice?
Can they not see that the so-called 'drainer of the swamp' has simply created his own swamp beside the one that was there and populated it with his friends and family?In short even if you dislike any degree of left political views and are fully believing that the economy is the solution to all, can you not also see what an asshat the man is and stop deriding those that dislike him with cries that they are deranged?
The derangement lies elsewhere.Rant over.
3.30pm, last day of L3. Crucial is cleaning out the garage, the very last job he has left on his list of lockdown chores.
As he finishes polishing the last of his knives, he discovers a case of 76 Grange and thinks "well fuck me - what better way to spend the last day of L3 than firing up those Trump-loving fuckwits. I've got a case of red and all night to play with. Let's fucking go"
Enjoy it bro, you've earned it 😬
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@voodoo said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
If this thread is anything to go by, Trump's ploy of diverting the general narrative and dividing the focus is working. It has become so normal to hear him state untruths and totally incorrect facts that there is now hardly a reaction. Perhaps people are tired of being shouted down or called names should they question what is unquestionably wrong? Even Trump says that reporters are 'nasty' for pointing out that the emperor may have no clothes on.
Those of you that have somehow brought into this rubbish that he is hard done by, targeted unfairly or is just playing everybody in a clever way, answer this.
Why is it that he cannot take or address any question from any reporter that does not fit a lie or questions a lie that he has just uttered?
Why does he insist on playing with lives by not offering clear leadership around the largest crisis to hit the US in 70 years? Is that being cunning?
Why does he retweet extreme right wing conspiracy theories if he supposedly isn't 'extreme' himself (or have sympathetic views)
Why does a 73 year old man that is (by his own accounts) smart, intelligent and a great deal maker, continue to call others by childish names?
Why does he feel that he can publicly accuse people of crimes without a shred of evidence, and even tag them with the name 'pyscho'?The guy is an asshat, plain and simple.
I can understand how he got voted in out of two unsavoury options and how some would have taken a chance that disruption was possibly going to turn out better for them than the status quo. I can even understand how some may have reason to believe that he isn't just riding an economic upturn that was already trending up before he took power. I can also understand how some elements of the media aren't impartial when it comes to reporting on every wrong thing he does no matter how minor.
What I can't understand is how people can in any shape or form not see that he is a complete narcissist. Everything he does, he asks himself whether he can insist on praise afterward whether deserved or not. Are people really happy to ignore the leader of the country not just bending the occasional truth (as all politicians do) but outright lying very single day then refusing to address questioning about the lies? Do they not see danger in having a Commander in Chief of a very large military who has thin skin, throws tantrums and ignores advice?
Can they not see that the so-called 'drainer of the swamp' has simply created his own swamp beside the one that was there and populated it with his friends and family?In short even if you dislike any degree of left political views and are fully believing that the economy is the solution to all, can you not also see what an asshat the man is and stop deriding those that dislike him with cries that they are deranged?
The derangement lies elsewhere.Rant over.
3.30pm, last day of L3. Crucial is cleaning out the garage, the very last job he has left on his list of lockdown chores.
As he finishes polishing the last of his knives, he discovers a case of 76 Grange and thinks "well fuck me - what better way to spend the last day of L3 than firing up those Trump-loving fuckwits. I've got a case of red and all night to play with. Let's fucking go"
Enjoy it bro, you've earned it 😬
I so wish that was the case
Just beersies followed by a dram. -
@Crucial said in US Politics:
If this thread is anything to go by, Trump's ploy of diverting the general narrative and dividing the focus is working. It has become so normal to hear him state untruths and totally incorrect facts that there is now hardly a reaction. Perhaps people are tired of being shouted down or called names should they question what is unquestionably wrong? Even Trump says that reporters are 'nasty' for pointing out that the emperor may have no clothes on.
Trumps a truth teller. But in this world we currently live in truth and lies are all mixed up.
And don't believe the polls. People should know by know
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
If this thread is anything to go by, Trump's ploy of diverting the general narrative and dividing the focus is working. It has become so normal to hear him state untruths and totally incorrect facts that there is now hardly a reaction. Perhaps people are tired of being shouted down or called names should they question what is unquestionably wrong? Even Trump says that reporters are 'nasty' for pointing out that the emperor may have no clothes on.
Trumps a truth teller. But in this world we currently live in truth and lies are all mixed up.
And don't believe the polls. People should know by know
I don’t think I said anything about the polls being believable. Just stated what they are saying as an interesting point.
Yes, Trump tells the truth. Occasionally. He also lies a lot.
The second sentence is a massive load of twaddle. Are you saying that lying is ok because people lie? If so then the point about delusion is proved. -
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
If this thread is anything to go by, Trump's ploy of diverting the general narrative and dividing the focus is working. It has become so normal to hear him state untruths and totally incorrect facts that there is now hardly a reaction. Perhaps people are tired of being shouted down or called names should they question what is unquestionably wrong? Even Trump says that reporters are 'nasty' for pointing out that the emperor may have no clothes on.
Trumps a truth teller. But in this world we currently live in truth and lies are all mixed up.
And don't believe the polls. People should know by know
I don’t think I said anything about the polls being believable. Just stated what they are saying as an interesting point.
Yes, Trump tells the truth. Occasionally. He also lies a lot.
The second sentence is a massive load of twaddle. Are you saying that lying is ok because people lie? If so then the point about delusion is proved.No. Lies are truth today. And truth are lies. Trump tells the truth but it challenges the lies people have been told and believed.
The democrats are in fact a party of liars. They are rotten and corrupt. For example they said they all have the evidence re Russia collusion (and spent years focused on this lie) and it was all a lie. And the leadership knew it was a lie. But you are still lost in pointing the finger at Trump rather than focusing on the serious rot in the Democratic party.
And Trump must win otherwise the West is finished. The whole structure now has been corrupted (but slowly over time so most hardly notice it). He needs to drain the swamp and then fix the rot. Then we can get back to normality and decency. Where rights are returned to people. And men in particular find their inner strength again. Rather than the boys today where lots are scared of the flu. And are willing to throw their right away without almost a peep
ThInk about it. Law abiding people not being allowed on the beach FFS. And healthy people being locked in their homes and (willingly) treated like naughty children. Or the economy being closed down and lives ruined for a (minor) flu. But the repair work needs to start in the US
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Per Grenell's declassification of names that requested unmasking of Trump officials.
Last person to request Flynn unmasking documents was JOE BIDEN on January 12, 2017. Date of first WaPo article by David Ignatius w/ illegal leak of Flynn conversation: January 12, 2017.
This is horrible optics for Biden.
Furthermore, a bunch of the requests to unmask Flynn were BEFORE the Kislyak call which was supposedly the predicate for his questioning by the FBI officials.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
If this thread is anything to go by, Trump's ploy of diverting the general narrative and dividing the focus is working. It has become so normal to hear him state untruths and totally incorrect facts that there is now hardly a reaction. Perhaps people are tired of being shouted down or called names should they question what is unquestionably wrong? Even Trump says that reporters are 'nasty' for pointing out that the emperor may have no clothes on.
Trumps a truth teller. But in this world we currently live in truth and lies are all mixed up.
And don't believe the polls. People should know by know
I don’t think I said anything about the polls being believable. Just stated what they are saying as an interesting point.
Yes, Trump tells the truth. Occasionally. He also lies a lot.
The second sentence is a massive load of twaddle. Are you saying that lying is ok because people lie? If so then the point about delusion is proved.No. Lies are truth today. And truth are lies. Trump tells the truth but it challenges the lies people have been told and believed.
The democrats are in fact a party of liars. They are rotten and corrupt. For example they said they all have the evidence re Russia collusion (and spent years focused on this lie) and it was all a lie. And the leadership knew it was a lie. But you are still lost in pointing the finger at Trump rather than focusing on the serious rot in the Democratic party.
And Trump must win otherwise the West is finished. The whole structure now has been corrupted (but slowly over time so most hardly notice it). He needs to drain the swamp and then fix the rot. Then we can get back to normality and decency. Where rights are returned to people. And men in particular find their inner strength again. Rather than the boys today where lots are scared of the flu. And are willing to throw their right away without almost a peep
ThInk about it. Law abiding people not being allowed on the beach FFS. And healthy people being locked in their homes and (willingly) treated like naughty children. Or the economy being closed down and lives ruined for a (minor) flu. But the repair work needs to start in the US
Why am I lost in not pointing a finger elsewhere?
I am not commenting on other parties or candidates. I am commenting on Trump. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Also I am commenting from a position of having no real skin in the game. What different parties offer in the US has only a flow in effect on me. An effect that is usually tempered by the time it reaches.
You seem to be sucked into to very divisive and polar position that politicians want you to. Ignore the failings of me because you hate the other guy. That way you stop questioning my failures.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
If this thread is anything to go by, Trump's ploy of diverting the general narrative and dividing the focus is working. It has become so normal to hear him state untruths and totally incorrect facts that there is now hardly a reaction.
And it's taken 3-4 years for his political & media opponents to realise this.
That says more about their lack of political acumen than it does about Trump
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If Trump is an idiot, what does that make the people he beat ?????
Perhaps not as smart as they think they are......
Or Trump is smarter than he appears......in a streetwise cunning kind of way.Wonder if there is real meat on the bone to this "Obamagate" or is just a mindless distraction (as Trump's opposition claim) We shall see....
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@Frank said in US Politics:
If Trump is an idiot, what does that make the people he beat ?????
Perhaps not as smart as they think they are......Well, they did select Hilary Clinton - the candidate who thought it a good idea to insult voters by calling them "deplorables"
Or Trump is smarter than he appears......in a streetwise cunning kind of way.
He's lots of unpleasant things, does loads of dumb stuff but he no idiot.
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I think a lot of Trump's success comes not from him being some kind of genius, but that he's very much a 'doer' in that he doesn't overthink anything, he just dives head first into whatever project captures his attention.
That can lead to wildly varying results - sometimes spectacularly successful and other times an absolute disaster, which is probably reflected in his career leading into being President.
I'm not sure those are great attributes for the President to have TBH, and by God he needs to learn to shut up during those pressers as he comes across as a fucking moron when he's talking on subjects that he knows little about.
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@No-Quarter said in US Politics:
I think a lot of Trump's success comes not from him being some kind of genius, but that he's very much a 'doer' in that he doesn't overthink anything, he just dives head first into whatever project captures his attention.
That can lead to wildly varying results - sometimes spectacularly successful and other times an absolute disaster, which is probably reflected in his career leading into being President.
I'm not sure those are great attributes for the President to have TBH, and by God he needs to learn to shut up during those pressers as he comes across as a fucking moron when he's talking on subjects that he knows little about.
It's all OK. We are safe under the real president. (That android thing called Jared)
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
If Trump is an idiot, what does that make the people he beat ?????
Perhaps not as smart as they think they are......Well, they did select Hilary Clinton - the candidate who thought it a good idea to insult voters by calling them "deplorables"
Or Trump is smarter than he appears......in a streetwise cunning kind of way.
He's lots of unpleasant things, does loads of dumb stuff but he no idiot.
I see zero evidence that he's not an idiot. Plenty of people have voted for him, and the democrats have been shit - but those things don't mean he's not an idiot. Whereas pretty much whenever he opens his mouth he supports the assertion that he is an idiot.
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