BOP Eruption?
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@Chris-B said in BOP Eruption?:
This....
From the article:
Royal Caribbean has removed the White Island/Whakaari shore excursion page from its website but a cached version shows that it did not include any warnings about potential hazards on what it dubbed "one of the most active volcanoes in the world".How much more warning do you require?
and this.....
Medical Malpractice & Injuries & Overboard Cases | Cruise Law News
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Cruise ship accidents, injuries, crimes, disappearances, fires, and collisions on the high seas involve issues of maritime law. Jim Walker graduated from law school in 1983 and has been handling maritime law cases for the past thirty-five years. He handles a wide variety of cases from serious...
Jim focuses his maritime law practice on representing cruise passengers and crew members in cases against cruise lines such as Carnival, Royal Caribbean, Celebrity, Disney, Holland America Line, Princess and Norwegian Cruise Line among others.
The firm handles cases on a “contingency” basis – meaning that you do not send us a retainer and we do not bill you for our fees or expenses.
We advance all costs and are reimbursed for our time and costs only if we are successful in reaching a settlement or we win the case for you.
Ambulance chasers.
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@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@JC said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@jegga said in BOP Eruption?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:
Well after the passing of the euthanasia law maybe it wont be an issue, just get the pilot to say he wants euthanasia ... death by volcano.
Then if he does make it back he can change his mind.Terrible bloody movie
What is this word "versus" ... ?
Joe verses the Volcano
Revertere ad ludum, stultus. Plebes commictilis sunt.
So google translate gives me:
"Return to the game, stupid. VILE the commons"
Assuming you're saying "pull your head in dickhead"?
Ludus / ludum also means school. Plebs / plebes means common people. Commictilis means disgusting.
So loosely, back to school idiot. Common people disgust me.
No offence 😉
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@JC said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@JC said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@jegga said in BOP Eruption?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:
Well after the passing of the euthanasia law maybe it wont be an issue, just get the pilot to say he wants euthanasia ... death by volcano.
Then if he does make it back he can change his mind.Terrible bloody movie
What is this word "versus" ... ?
Joe verses the Volcano
Revertere ad ludum, stultus. Plebes commictilis sunt.
So google translate gives me:
"Return to the game, stupid. VILE the commons"
Assuming you're saying "pull your head in dickhead"?
Ludus / ludum also means school. Plebs / plebes means common people. Commictilis means disgusting.
So loosely, back to school idiot. Common people disgust me.
No offence 😉
Not sure I took any. Mainly coz I no understand ...
(You do realise I have a particular hatred for the use of verse/versing and was amused to see the word versus used properly? Just checking)
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@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@JC said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@JC said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@jegga said in BOP Eruption?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:
Well after the passing of the euthanasia law maybe it wont be an issue, just get the pilot to say he wants euthanasia ... death by volcano.
Then if he does make it back he can change his mind.Terrible bloody movie
What is this word "versus" ... ?
Joe verses the Volcano
Revertere ad ludum, stultus. Plebes commictilis sunt.
So google translate gives me:
"Return to the game, stupid. VILE the commons"
Assuming you're saying "pull your head in dickhead"?
Ludus / ludum also means school. Plebs / plebes means common people. Commictilis means disgusting.
So loosely, back to school idiot. Common people disgust me.
No offence 😉
Not sure I took any. Mainly coz I no understand ...
(You do realise I have a particular hatred for the use of verse/versing and was amused to see the word versus used properly? Just checking)
Yeah I got that @booboo. Latin humour doesn’t travel well, it turns out. Who knew?
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Funny there were people who were interviewed who said they were awesome and kept them informed...others said it was like being in prison...
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The Urey family’s lawyer, Michael Winkleman, will be filing the lawsuit within the next two weeks against White Island Tours and Royal Caribbean cruise line.
He believes the couple have a compelling case, which he says both operators need to answer to for their actions.
“It would have been so easy for Royal Caribbean to note: for those of you going on the excursion to White Island Tours there's a heightened risk in going with that because there's a heightened level of this volcanic activity,” Mr Winkleman said.
“Had they done that, my guess is that most people would have cancelled that tour, so I think there was a profit motive.”
Furthermore, he believes the operators need to front up in the United States legal jurisdiction - where the couple could potentially be awarded millions of dollars in compensation.
“I think there is an opportunity to be able to avoid the really draconian or restrictive laws of New Zealand, in an effort in bringing those cases in the United States.”
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@Stargazer yeah I was wondering the same thing, and what it could do here, for ACC and other legal liability situations if they somehow win against the NZ Company.
I'd have thought as it happened in NZ it is subject to NZ Laws, granted the Cruiseliner may be subject to different laws given they operate in multiple jurisdictions, I would also expect the NZ Tour Operator (assuming they only operate inbound stuff) would likely have only had liability coverage for NZ and it's territories, that I believe means if it is tried in the US to US laws, there may be no cover for them or limited cover, plus given the numbers in the US, even if they did have coverage, it probably wouldnt be sufficient for what these people are looking at claiming
“I think there is an opportunity to be able to avoid the really draconian or restrictive laws of New Zealand, in an effort in bringing those cases in the United States.”
so people in NZ cant sue for every little thing means our laws are draconian and restrictive?
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"Gee whizz it was our lucky day. Not only did we escape being steamed like a lobster in a pot of boiling sulphuric acid, now we get to sue those stupid schleps for millions".
Zero chance of going after the tour company. No point anyway as they'll have no money. The cruise ship is another matter entirely.
You would have thought the term "active volcano", especially when coupled with the steaming white clouds, was a pretty big clue but … fucking Yank legal system.
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@taniwharugby said in BOP Eruption?:
granted the Cruiseliner may be subject to different laws given they operate in multiple jurisdictions,
With airliners it was the country of registration of the aircraft, so probably Panama or somewhere dodgy for a ship. I was advised by an international lawyer to put all of my assets in a trust in case an American had an accident on board when I was captain and decided to sue, (although even the lawyers didn't really know).
Some pilots used to leave the seat belt sign on permanently for any flight to or from the US. Unexpected turbulence and a passenger hit the roof could leave you at risk. Bloody stupid tort laws.As @dogmeat says the Kiwi company won't have any money, and the owners will have protected themselves anyway.
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@Snowy although the Cruiseliner will have Worldwide Liability cover (although probably end up with an out of court settlement partly funded by thier insurers anyway) whereas a NZ Tour Operator is unlikely to have Worldwide cover, anything that includes exposure to the North American market into Liability ratchets up the price
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@Stargazer said in BOP Eruption?:
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The Urey family’s lawyer, Michael Winkleman, will be filing the lawsuit within the next two weeks against White Island Tours and Royal Caribbean cruise line.
He believes the couple have a compelling case, which he says both operators need to answer to for their actions.
“It would have been so easy for Royal Caribbean to note: for those of you going on the excursion to White Island Tours there's a heightened risk in going with that because there's a heightened level of this volcanic activity,” Mr Winkleman said.
“Had they done that, my guess is that most people would have cancelled that tour, so I think there was a profit motive.”
Furthermore, he believes the operators need to front up in the United States legal jurisdiction - where the couple could potentially be awarded millions of dollars in compensation.
“I think there is an opportunity to be able to avoid the really draconian or restrictive laws of New Zealand, in an effort in bringing those cases in the United States.”
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Do US courts have jurisdiction in a case against a NZ tour operator about something that happened in NZ?No and yes. A US court can make a finding against the NZ company but it's unenforceable.
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@Godder said in BOP Eruption?:
ACC makes suing difficult, but not impossible. However, because injury is covered, the plaintiff has to sue for negligence, which is a higher bar than just losses due to being unable to work (for example) and medical expenses.
They might have better luck when they sue the cruise company then
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and this shit is why insurers are pulling Liability policies from adventure tour operators.
So the future is, take the risk yourself, and lose everything when an American breaks a nail, or shut up shop.
Thanks lawyers, you utter fluffybunnies.
Actually, do we have a thread for whinging about shit like that, because i would like to tee off on banks and the insurance industry.
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@mariner4life said in BOP Eruption?:
and this shit is why insurers are pulling Liability policies from adventure tour operators.
So the future is, take the risk yourself, and lose everything when an American breaks a nail, or shut up shop.
Thanks lawyers, you utter fluffybunnies.
Actually, do we have a thread for whinging about shit like that, because i would like to tee off on banks and the insurance industry.
Yep I wonder how many visitors White Island would get every year if it was a dead dormant lifeless volcano with no activity what so ever?
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Interesting listening to the US lawyer acting on behalf of the American couple, saying he hasnt even looked at the contract agreement between the Cruise Company and White Island tours yet.
He is very much on the whole NZ's draconian laws too.
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@taniwharugby said in BOP Eruption?:
NZ's draconian laws too
I'm not sure that he knows what that means.
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@Snowy said in BOP Eruption?:
@taniwharugby said in BOP Eruption?:
NZ's draconian laws too
I'm not sure that he knows what that means.
It's almost like we aren't an extra state of the US of A! I can imagine the horror from a lawyers point of view of a country protected against an avalance of frivilous lawsuits.
