BOP Eruption?
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@antipodean said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@Snowy said in BOP Eruption?:
That 20 minutes thing from the pilot is a bit daft to me. He wanted to take his giant fan over fields of volcanic ash to ingest into a turbine engine. They really don't play nicely together.
Re volcanic ash. The ash falls from Ruapehu in the late 90s were quite interesting. It looked soft and powdery like talcum powder, but it was as harsh and hard as broken glass. Horrible stuff. Can imagine what it would do to your engine.
Even worse if it gets in your eyes.
Are you certain of that ? If it was I’m sure a recognised expert like a helicopter pilot or Paddy Gower would have mentioned it.
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@jegga said in BOP Eruption?:
@antipodean said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@Snowy said in BOP Eruption?:
That 20 minutes thing from the pilot is a bit daft to me. He wanted to take his giant fan over fields of volcanic ash to ingest into a turbine engine. They really don't play nicely together.
Re volcanic ash. The ash falls from Ruapehu in the late 90s were quite interesting. It looked soft and powdery like talcum powder, but it was as harsh and hard as broken glass. Horrible stuff. Can imagine what it would do to your engine.
Even worse if it gets in your eyes.
Are you certain of that ? If it was I’m sure a recognised expert like a helicopter pilot or Paddy Gower would have mentioned it.
Obviously doesn't fuck with helicopter engines though....
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You have to love a good whinger. Funny how he didn't want to put his name to his comments. Unlike the lady who was very complimentary of the way the ship's staff handled the tragedy
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This....
and this.....
Medical Malpractice & Injuries & Overboard Cases | Cruise Law News
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Cruise ship accidents, injuries, crimes, disappearances, fires, and collisions on the high seas involve issues of maritime law. Jim Walker graduated from law school in 1983 and has been handling maritime law cases for the past thirty-five years. He handles a wide variety of cases from serious...
Jim focuses his maritime law practice on representing cruise passengers and crew members in cases against cruise lines such as Carnival, Royal Caribbean, Celebrity, Disney, Holland America Line, Princess and Norwegian Cruise Line among others.
The firm handles cases on a “contingency” basis – meaning that you do not send us a retainer and we do not bill you for our fees or expenses.
We advance all costs and are reimbursed for our time and costs only if we are successful in reaching a settlement or we win the case for you.
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@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@jegga said in BOP Eruption?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:
Well after the passing of the euthanasia law maybe it wont be an issue, just get the pilot to say he wants euthanasia ... death by volcano.
Then if he does make it back he can change his mind.Terrible bloody movie
What is this word "versus" ... ?
Joe verses the Volcano
Revertere ad ludum, stultus. Plebes commictilis sunt.
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@canefan said in BOP Eruption?:
You have to love a good whinger. Funny how he didn't want to put his name to his comments. Unlike the lady who was very complimentary of the way the ship's staff handled the tragedy
Keeps coming to mind when I read that headline:
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@JC said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@jegga said in BOP Eruption?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:
Well after the passing of the euthanasia law maybe it wont be an issue, just get the pilot to say he wants euthanasia ... death by volcano.
Then if he does make it back he can change his mind.Terrible bloody movie
What is this word "versus" ... ?
Joe verses the Volcano
Revertere ad ludum, stultus. Plebes commictilis sunt.
So google translate gives me:
"Return to the game, stupid. VILE the commons"
Assuming you're saying "pull your head in dickhead"?
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@Chris-B said in BOP Eruption?:
This....
From the article:
Royal Caribbean has removed the White Island/Whakaari shore excursion page from its website but a cached version shows that it did not include any warnings about potential hazards on what it dubbed "one of the most active volcanoes in the world".How much more warning do you require?
and this.....
Medical Malpractice & Injuries & Overboard Cases | Cruise Law News
Cruise ship accidents, injuries, crimes, disappearances, fires, and collisions on the high seas involve issues of maritime law. Jim Walker graduated from law school in 1983 and has been handling maritime law cases for the past thirty-five years. He handles a wide variety of cases from serious...
Jim focuses his maritime law practice on representing cruise passengers and crew members in cases against cruise lines such as Carnival, Royal Caribbean, Celebrity, Disney, Holland America Line, Princess and Norwegian Cruise Line among others.
The firm handles cases on a “contingency” basis – meaning that you do not send us a retainer and we do not bill you for our fees or expenses.
We advance all costs and are reimbursed for our time and costs only if we are successful in reaching a settlement or we win the case for you.
Ambulance chasers.
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@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@JC said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@jegga said in BOP Eruption?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:
Well after the passing of the euthanasia law maybe it wont be an issue, just get the pilot to say he wants euthanasia ... death by volcano.
Then if he does make it back he can change his mind.Terrible bloody movie
What is this word "versus" ... ?
Joe verses the Volcano
Revertere ad ludum, stultus. Plebes commictilis sunt.
So google translate gives me:
"Return to the game, stupid. VILE the commons"
Assuming you're saying "pull your head in dickhead"?
Ludus / ludum also means school. Plebs / plebes means common people. Commictilis means disgusting.
So loosely, back to school idiot. Common people disgust me.
No offence 😉
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@JC said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@JC said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@jegga said in BOP Eruption?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:
Well after the passing of the euthanasia law maybe it wont be an issue, just get the pilot to say he wants euthanasia ... death by volcano.
Then if he does make it back he can change his mind.Terrible bloody movie
What is this word "versus" ... ?
Joe verses the Volcano
Revertere ad ludum, stultus. Plebes commictilis sunt.
So google translate gives me:
"Return to the game, stupid. VILE the commons"
Assuming you're saying "pull your head in dickhead"?
Ludus / ludum also means school. Plebs / plebes means common people. Commictilis means disgusting.
So loosely, back to school idiot. Common people disgust me.
No offence 😉
Not sure I took any. Mainly coz I no understand ...
(You do realise I have a particular hatred for the use of verse/versing and was amused to see the word versus used properly? Just checking)
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@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@JC said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@JC said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@jegga said in BOP Eruption?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in BOP Eruption?:
Well after the passing of the euthanasia law maybe it wont be an issue, just get the pilot to say he wants euthanasia ... death by volcano.
Then if he does make it back he can change his mind.Terrible bloody movie
What is this word "versus" ... ?
Joe verses the Volcano
Revertere ad ludum, stultus. Plebes commictilis sunt.
So google translate gives me:
"Return to the game, stupid. VILE the commons"
Assuming you're saying "pull your head in dickhead"?
Ludus / ludum also means school. Plebs / plebes means common people. Commictilis means disgusting.
So loosely, back to school idiot. Common people disgust me.
No offence 😉
Not sure I took any. Mainly coz I no understand ...
(You do realise I have a particular hatred for the use of verse/versing and was amused to see the word versus used properly? Just checking)
Yeah I got that @booboo. Latin humour doesn’t travel well, it turns out. Who knew?
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Funny there were people who were interviewed who said they were awesome and kept them informed...others said it was like being in prison...
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The Urey family’s lawyer, Michael Winkleman, will be filing the lawsuit within the next two weeks against White Island Tours and Royal Caribbean cruise line.
He believes the couple have a compelling case, which he says both operators need to answer to for their actions.
“It would have been so easy for Royal Caribbean to note: for those of you going on the excursion to White Island Tours there's a heightened risk in going with that because there's a heightened level of this volcanic activity,” Mr Winkleman said.
“Had they done that, my guess is that most people would have cancelled that tour, so I think there was a profit motive.”
Furthermore, he believes the operators need to front up in the United States legal jurisdiction - where the couple could potentially be awarded millions of dollars in compensation.
“I think there is an opportunity to be able to avoid the really draconian or restrictive laws of New Zealand, in an effort in bringing those cases in the United States.”
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@Stargazer yeah I was wondering the same thing, and what it could do here, for ACC and other legal liability situations if they somehow win against the NZ Company.
I'd have thought as it happened in NZ it is subject to NZ Laws, granted the Cruiseliner may be subject to different laws given they operate in multiple jurisdictions, I would also expect the NZ Tour Operator (assuming they only operate inbound stuff) would likely have only had liability coverage for NZ and it's territories, that I believe means if it is tried in the US to US laws, there may be no cover for them or limited cover, plus given the numbers in the US, even if they did have coverage, it probably wouldnt be sufficient for what these people are looking at claiming
“I think there is an opportunity to be able to avoid the really draconian or restrictive laws of New Zealand, in an effort in bringing those cases in the United States.”
so people in NZ cant sue for every little thing means our laws are draconian and restrictive?
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"Gee whizz it was our lucky day. Not only did we escape being steamed like a lobster in a pot of boiling sulphuric acid, now we get to sue those stupid schleps for millions".
Zero chance of going after the tour company. No point anyway as they'll have no money. The cruise ship is another matter entirely.
You would have thought the term "active volcano", especially when coupled with the steaming white clouds, was a pretty big clue but … fucking Yank legal system.
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@taniwharugby said in BOP Eruption?:
granted the Cruiseliner may be subject to different laws given they operate in multiple jurisdictions,
With airliners it was the country of registration of the aircraft, so probably Panama or somewhere dodgy for a ship. I was advised by an international lawyer to put all of my assets in a trust in case an American had an accident on board when I was captain and decided to sue, (although even the lawyers didn't really know).
Some pilots used to leave the seat belt sign on permanently for any flight to or from the US. Unexpected turbulence and a passenger hit the roof could leave you at risk. Bloody stupid tort laws.As @dogmeat says the Kiwi company won't have any money, and the owners will have protected themselves anyway.
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@Snowy although the Cruiseliner will have Worldwide Liability cover (although probably end up with an out of court settlement partly funded by thier insurers anyway) whereas a NZ Tour Operator is unlikely to have Worldwide cover, anything that includes exposure to the North American market into Liability ratchets up the price
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@Stargazer said in BOP Eruption?:
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The Urey family’s lawyer, Michael Winkleman, will be filing the lawsuit within the next two weeks against White Island Tours and Royal Caribbean cruise line.
He believes the couple have a compelling case, which he says both operators need to answer to for their actions.
“It would have been so easy for Royal Caribbean to note: for those of you going on the excursion to White Island Tours there's a heightened risk in going with that because there's a heightened level of this volcanic activity,” Mr Winkleman said.
“Had they done that, my guess is that most people would have cancelled that tour, so I think there was a profit motive.”
Furthermore, he believes the operators need to front up in the United States legal jurisdiction - where the couple could potentially be awarded millions of dollars in compensation.
“I think there is an opportunity to be able to avoid the really draconian or restrictive laws of New Zealand, in an effort in bringing those cases in the United States.”
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Do US courts have jurisdiction in a case against a NZ tour operator about something that happened in NZ?No and yes. A US court can make a finding against the NZ company but it's unenforceable.
