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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp pfft, they arent even WWF anymore!
They were in the Golden age
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@Tim said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I suspect this may be a definitional thing. Is someone who has no symptoms on day 9, but goes on to develop them on day 13, asymptomatic on day 9?
There seems to be reasonable evidence that a 'pre-symptomatic' person can spread. In my mind that's enough to justify wearing face coverings in enclosed public spaces.
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/06/10/world/coronavirus-history.html
Fascinating graphic, using excess deaths in a calendar month - compared over recent history.
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Am I missing something or has the Second Wave not happened in countries like Italy, France and Belgium which got hammered early and are now out of Lockdown?
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Am I missing something or has the Second Wave not happened in countries like Italy, France and Belgium which got hammered early and are now out of Lockdown?
I dont think it would be expected in any of those places yet?
All had strict lockdowns only eased when infections under control. So, while second wave would be expected under 'classic' scenarios we read about, I'd assume it would be slow to build? And maybe get nipped in bud by the distancing and other epidemic knowledge gives have compared to 100 years ago.
Its more the places with premature easing that second wave watch would be centered. Iran and UK.
USA is really still just first wave migrating inland.
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China, the real excess deaths estimates, and from that tracing back real date of outbreak.
Interesting article, but on a not yet peer reviewed study.
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@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Am I missing something or has the Second Wave not happened in countries like Italy, France and Belgium which got hammered early and are now out of Lockdown?
I dont think it would be expected in any of those places yet?
All had strict lockdowns only eased when infections under control. So, while second wave would be expected under 'classic' scenarios we read about, I'd assume it would be slow to build? And maybe get nipped in bud by the distancing and other epidemic knowledge gives have compared to 100 years ago.
Its more the places with premature easing that second wave watch would be centered. Iran and UK.
USA is really still just first wave migrating inland.
So what does that mean do you think?
Medical workers I know are expecting a hard second wave in the UK.
We'd have seen something by now, no?
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It's funny how people are now turning on Sweden a bit, at least in this part of the world. But the reality is that all of Western Europe has been smashed fairly equally. Britain, Belgium, Holland, Italy, Spain, France, Switzerland. It's all pretty ugly.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's funny how people are now turning on Sweden a bit, at least in this part of the world. But the reality is that all of Western Europe has been smashed fairly equally. Britain, Belgium, Holland, Italy, Spain, France, Switzerland. It's all pretty ugly.
Given it's been a global pandemic, Sweden hasn't been bad. And no worse than the travel hub European countries who did lockdown.
AND chances of a second wave MUCH lower in Sweden.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
It's funny how people are now turning on Sweden a bit, at least in this part of the world. But the reality is that all of Western Europe has been smashed fairly equally. Britain, Belgium, Holland, Italy, Spain, France, Switzerland. It's all pretty ugly.
Given it's been a global pandemic, Sweden hasn't been bad. And no worse than the travel hub European countries who did lockdown.
AND chances of a second wave MUCH lower in Sweden.
Sweden looks reasonably ugly at the moment, but we won't know for 6-12 months how this plays out.
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