Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@broughie said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Bones I am and it is from wearing these damn masks all the time. My friend runs an ER department in Forth Worth and his staff are complaining of the same thing.
Where you at? Id like to think those coming from a "hot spot" into a "covid-free" zone might think a little differently. Perhaps I'm too optimistic.
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@JC said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
And as for the crew on The Project who were giving Michael Woodhouse a frosty time tonight for doing his job, for shame. Somehow he was at fault for asking questions in parliament rather than alerting the authorities with his information about the two women getting lost. And then he was asked about his use of the “kiss and cuddle” phrase. Because, you know, let’s get our priorities right.
I really hate those fluffybunnies. It isn't news, it's a fucking fluff piece and they farking love Cindy, after they've gone down on her they've forgotten that she and her lot have royally fucked up. The truth isn't a trickle, it's a flood now, and I AM SO FUCKING MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the armed forces are running the show now
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Compulsory quarantine, no exceptions. You don't like it? Piss off back to where you came from
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No more fucking 5 star hotels. I heard from reliable sources that many of the critters staying in said hotels smoke in the rooms and trash them
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User pays for the right to quarantine in Godzone. Why are we, Johnny taxpayer paying for these people to stay? You want in, you pay your way
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Quarantine is to be at a secure facility, like the empty defence base in Whangaparoa, all people to be fully supervised at all times
Lets not overreact again (wrecking the economy was an overreaction). Travellers (esp NZ citizens who have been trapped overseas) to NZ aren't criminals.
For example
-Treat people coming to NZ with respect and decently
-treat people differently from high risk countries compared to low risk. UK is high risk. Aust is low risk
-If someone wants to leave quarantine then proper testing MUST be done. But otherwise whats the issue. Esp from low risk countries
-My view is put them in good hotels (that would likely welcome people at present). Maybe they can pay a part fee but prisoners don't pay. And people are kind of being imprisoned
-Finds someone half competent to manage this process. That is don't treat arrivals as dangerous criminals. But don't be foolishly laxMy goodness.
I 100% agree with Winger.
2020 ...
Edit: re-read and not sure what you mean here:
-If someone wants to leave quarantine then proper testing MUST be done. But otherwise whats the issue. Esp from low risk countries
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Am still missing why people in quarantine aren't tested. Repeatedly.
TBF this was questioned on this very thread a few days ago and the consensus view was if they're locked up for 14 days then testing isn't really necessary as if they've got COVID it will become apparent during the isolation period.
Turns out "if" was way more questionable than we all imagined.
I wasn't as apoplectic about these two when the news first broke as the majority. I put myself in their position. Parent dying - want to see them. Would have been incredibly grateful for opportunity to get to Wtn and could see that there was a case for a compassionate exemption - despite it not being granted previously. In that situation I would have made sure I was in a car that could make the journey without needing to refuel and would have made absolutely certain I didn't come within 50 metres of anyone else.
I must be going senile. I have now joined the pack and am livid with there women and even more so their fuckwitted friend. She lived through lockdown in NZ the two sick women were in the UK where it was a different landscape, but really.
It seems you cannot rely on peoples common sense and decency. Given the way a lot of NZ acted under Lvl 2 this shouldn't have come as a surprise I guess but 360 close contacts. Now we have to wait 14 days to see how much damage has been done. Hopefully none but it'll be luck not judgement if that's the case
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@booboo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Am still missing why people in quarantine aren't tested. Repeatedly.
TBF this was questioned on this very thread a few days ago and the consensus view was if they're locked up for 14 days then testing isn't really necessary as if they've got COVID it will become apparent during the isolation period.
I know that was the answer. I just don't agree.
Why the reluctance to test?
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@dogmeat hasn't the testing every arrival only started since L1 (if we can believe this)
As I have already said, hopefully this just turns out to be the kick up the arse our Govt needed to get the processes right and no other people contract it from these retards running about NZ instead of being in isolation.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat hasn't the testing every arrival only started since L1 (if we can believe this)
As I have already said, hopefully this just turns out to be the kick up the arse our Govt needed to get the processes right and no other people contract it from these retards running about NZ instead of being in isolation.
The cynic in me wonders if this latest incident will make any significant difference, given the spectre of a global pandemic over the last four months apparently didn't......
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@Donsteppa the optimist in me says it was a bit of complacency, but now they will be onto it...
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As seen on: https://www.facebook.com/SteveTheMaoriDaniel/
One of the comments underneath was:
"This is going to be a great drinking driving game to replace the Lundy 500.
Who can drive Auckland to Welly with a box of piss and the first one to make a toilet stop has to shout drinks for the other cars"
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@dogmeat I think that is unfair on their friend. I wouldn't be surprised if the friend thought a proper process had been followed. I sure as hell would have - no way I'd be hugging a mate from the UK if they hadn't been tested and cleared or done their 14 days in Q. I'd also hope most of my mates wouldn't go for the hug as they'd be taking some personal responsibility.
I get that grief is a big factor in all of this - but if it was impairing their judgement to that degree then surely it was dubious to let them drive from Akld to Wgtn!! -
@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat I think that is unfair on their friend. I wouldn't be surprised if the friend thought a proper process had been followed. I sure as hell would have - no way I'd be hugging a mate from the UK if they hadn't been tested and cleared or done their 14 days in Q. I'd also hope most of my mates wouldn't go for the hug as they'd be taking some personal responsibility.
I get that grief is a big factor in all of this - but if it was impairing their judgement to that degree then surely it was dubious to let them drive from Akld to Wgtn!!I'm glad they have military in there monitoring it all now. It will remove empathy from decision making.
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat I think that is unfair on their friend. I wouldn't be surprised if the friend thought a proper process had been followed. I sure as hell would have - no way I'd be hugging a mate from the UK if they hadn't been tested and cleared or done their 14 days in Q. I'd also hope most of my mates wouldn't go for the hug as they'd be taking some personal responsibility.
I get that grief is a big factor in all of this - but if it was impairing their judgement to that degree then surely it was dubious to let them drive from Akld to Wgtn!!I'm glad they have military in there monitoring it all now. It will remove empathy from decision making.
The Don would approve!!!
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo I agree 100%. And if (a big if) there happen to be any exceptions made, then I'm much more confident the military will run it by the numbers.
Absolutely.
It is one thing to instruct someone to control a situation, it is another thing to order someone to control a situation.
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majority of NZ spent over 4 weeks at thier home, many earning less than normal income, there should be no reason why these people cant deal with proper isolation for 14 days for the benefit of the 'team of 5 million' being paid for by that team
I know being at home for that period is different, but 14 days shouldnt be a big ask, particularly if you are also being monitored.