Black Lives Matter
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@antipodean said in Black Lives Matter:
@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
And charged with murder which could result in life imprisonment or the death penalty...or could be acquitted for another round of riots.
I can't see how he'll be convicted. Definitely let off on appeal if there's a travesty of justice. The legal test for police in the USA is reasonableness of the threat as they perceive it. Footage of Mr Brooks resisting arrest, taking a taser and firing it at police won't make it a difficult defence.
You don't think we are at the point where political interference may impact judicial decisions? I hope you are right. Lose lose situation anyway.
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@rotated said in Black Lives Matter:
Activists in the movement tend to switch depending on whatever is convenient at the time. Things are further exacerbated by the lack of centralized leadership or policies from the movement as a whole and individual city chapters endorse and disendorse individual rallies and marches almost at random. Very few detail the reforms they are seeking although these two which do are downright insane.
There are a few places putting forward a researched policy platform, like https://www.joincampaignzero.org/
I think that campaign is going about it the right way, making the issue police violence in general rather than violence towards people of a particular skin colour.
The only reason I know about that is one of the key campaigners went on the Bill Simmons pod a few weeks ago.
It's those sort of voices and groups that need more attention as it moves the conversation beyond just slogans and lazy stats to tangible actions that we can all debate.
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@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
@antipodean said in Black Lives Matter:
@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
And charged with murder which could result in life imprisonment or the death penalty...or could be acquitted for another round of riots.
I can't see how he'll be convicted. Definitely let off on appeal if there's a travesty of justice. The legal test for police in the USA is reasonableness of the threat as they perceive it. Footage of Mr Brooks resisting arrest, taking a taser and firing it at police won't make it a difficult defence.
You don't think we are at the point where political interference may impact judicial decisions? I hope you are right. Lose lose situation anyway.
That's why I said on appeal. In the current climate it's difficult to see how anyone is going to get an impartial jury.
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I'm seeing an argument that officer Rolfe may have kicked him after he had shot the guy. Hard to tell for sure in that video but one thing that appears to be missing from all of this is his bodycam footage during the scuffle and up to the shooting. Note that it is the 2nd officers bodycam we get at the start and its that bodycam that falls off. After the shooting the footage starts again with Rolfe's bodycam looking like he is reconnecting his bodycam. Would be interesting to see his footage up to when it supposedly came off or if there is any footage of the supposed kick.
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@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
Full footage including before arrest and after shooting. The shooter was the one who had the taser fired at him. (I
I wonder if the lethality percentage of the taser changes if it hits someone directly in the head?Debrief starts at 1.04. Pretty interesting to see behind the scenes, a lot of support from fellow officers.
Imagine the thoughts going through your head after the shooting, being pretty sure you did your job correctly but maybe knowing that might be irrelevant as you were born with the wrong skin colour for this day and age in police enforcement.
I watched most of that up until they shot him.
My first question is why the fuck didn't they just breathalise him to start with? He was clearly DUI but that was about 25 minutes of him trying to be polite before they actually test him. I was getting annoyed just watching it.As for tasers in the head - can cause brain injury - whether that is more lethal than a taser in the chest (can cause cardiac arrest) I don't know.
That was an unarmed drunk that they shot. They had even checked him for weapons. I don't believe that is doing your job to protect and serve correctly. He even said that he would walk home. Who were they protecting from him?
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@Frank said in Black Lives Matter:
@Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
That was an unarmed drunk that they shot.
He was holding a taser gun which he had taken from the cops and pointing it at them as he ran away.
Some distance away. They work for 3m. The cops knew that and knee jerked with lethal force.
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To me it’s similar to the no follow policy in NZ. Car chases are the equivalent of this situation imo. The driver is driving the weapon. The police see the potential for collateral damage and also have the car occupants safety in mind as well. So they give up chase.
I don’t think there is a time where shooting someone in the back is ok when the perpetrator is unarmed. They needed to either run him down or give up chase. Shooting him was not the right option. Regardless of the lead up. He was running away and was not a threat to the officers at that stage.
I think this is voluntary manslaughter. It’s a split second decision. A knee jerk as Snowy said. It’s not the same as the George Floyd situation. That was a prolonged, tortuous attack. It’s not the same as the Ahmad Arbery case either as those 2 men charged brought guns along. They were not law enforcement and planned to use them if required. They were never required but used them anyway.
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Why does the victim need money? Surely she needs justice and psychological support not financial assistance.
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@Billy-Tell said in Black Lives Matter:
Why does the victim need money? Surely she needs justice and psychological support not financial assistance.
Well for a while there justice wasn't going to happen as the optics were wrong. Money might have helped ease some of that pain or perhaps be used for relocation expenses (or even psych services) if this is likely an ongoing problem.
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@Billy-Tell medical and counseling and eventually legal representation. For her, this thing is just beginning.
But mostly because members of the public wanted to give
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@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
Including this here as its this current BLM movement which has led to calls to cancel Paw Patrol for having a positive reference to police.
Mainstream media at its finest. Not satire.
Hahaha holy shit that article is hilarious. Can be summarised as "hard left academics say they are bad, but for some reason parents still let their kids watch AND buy them toys".
Also, the central theme of Paw Patrol is saving people when they have an accident or get stuck somewhere. There's basically no "good guys punishing bad guys" involved at all. But it has a Police themed dog in it so it must be bad right?
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@No-Quarter said in Black Lives Matter:
This piece of work underpins much of what the social justice left believes.
It's just so batshit bananas I don't even know where to begin, except to say it pretty blatantly promotes the idea of white supremacy.
I'll add it is also being actively taught at New Zealand universities.
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@Siam said in Black Lives Matter:
@Rembrandt meanwhile BLM got 300 million in donations this week from Apple, Google, >Amazon and other corporations
Would be interesting to know if their workforces appreciate the sentiment.
All part of their advertising budget.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Lives Matter:
@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
Including this here as its this current BLM movement which has led to calls to cancel Paw Patrol for having a positive reference to police.
Mainstream media at its finest. Not satire.
Hahaha holy shit that article is hilarious. Can be summarised as "hard left academics say they are bad, but for some reason parents still let their kids watch AND buy them toys".
Also, the central theme of Paw Patrol is saving people when they have an accident or get stuck somewhere. There's basically no "good guys punishing bad guys" involved at all. But it has a Police themed dog in it so it must be bad right?
If Mayor Humdinger was black he would've been shot a long time ago.
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@Snowy said in Black Lives Matter:
@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
Full footage including before arrest and after shooting. The shooter was the one who had the taser fired at him. (I
I wonder if the lethality percentage of the taser changes if it hits someone directly in the head?Debrief starts at 1.04. Pretty interesting to see behind the scenes, a lot of support from fellow officers.
Imagine the thoughts going through your head after the shooting, being pretty sure you did your job correctly but maybe knowing that might be irrelevant as you were born with the wrong skin colour for this day and age in police enforcement.
I watched most of that up until they shot him.
My first question is why the fuck didn't they just breathalise him to start with? He was clearly DUI but that was about 25 minutes of him trying to be polite before they actually test him. I was getting annoyed just watching it.As for tasers in the head - can cause brain injury - whether that is more lethal than a taser in the chest (can cause cardiac arrest) I don't know.
That was an unarmed drunk that they shot. They had even checked him for weapons. I don't believe that is doing your job to protect and serve correctly. He even said that he would walk home. Who were they protecting from him?
That was a reflex, trigger happy killing. IMO.Wow, fuck being a cop in the US after this ( and other ) fiascos.
They'll be terrified and not know what to do next time someone resists arrest.