Black Lives Matter
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@No-Quarter I don't know why you need to mix the two issues. Like the Greens, why do you have to be marxists as well?
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@booboo said in Black Lives Matter:
@pakman said in Black Lives Matter:
@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
SFB
Please explain
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@pakman said in Black Lives Matter:
@booboo said in Black Lives Matter:
@pakman said in Black Lives Matter:
@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
SFB
Please explain
You know ... I think I might have worked that out for myself somewhere else ...
D'oh
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@Siam said in Black Lives Matter:
@No-Quarter said in Black Lives Matter:
@Siam said in Black Lives Matter:
@Godder said in Black Lives Matter:
Some form of favouritism is pretty common in the police and justice systems (or their equivalents). That's not to say they are deliberately racist everywhere and always, but the stats tend to favour the majorities. Sometimes it's race, sometimes class/wealth, sometimes religions, sometimes other things.
The USA has different issues in different places, but common themes are that the police are fragmented, poorly trained, have a siege mentality (better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 is a common belief), and do everything because cities often don't have separate regulatory bodies (noise control and parking are often police matters, for example).
It's hard to compare American racism toward Blacks to the UK because slavery was never legal in the UK, and there was no need for things like the 3/5ths compromise, Dred Scott, a civil war over eliminating slavery, no Jim Crow/apartheid, no KKK lynchings. The white British didn't hire bombers to bomb a predominantly black suburb, didn't hang Blacks for rape in public (often consensual until the family of the white woman accused the black man of rape) after 1 hour trials with 10 minute jury verdicts. Integrated schools didn't require the National Guard.
I made the mistake of researching lynching (I was looking up the origins of the word), and while it was originally a version of hanging over a tree branch, a lot of more recent black lynchings (around the late 1800s and early 1900s) were more like burning at the stake.
The history of anti-black racism in the USA is long and unpleasant, and beliefs formed that Blacks were subhuman, backed by churches and religious arguments. Ideally it would all be in the past, but while a lot of good work has been done, it's still a work in progress in some areas.
That's a lot of abhorrent attitudes not seen for more than 30 years.
What does progress look like?
That sort of history will take time to overcome, and it's remarkable how far the States have come in that regard. But I can understand why that would still feel very raw.
I also absolutely hate that left wing academics like Robin DiAngelo are undoing so much of that progress, and that the toxic ideas she promotes are spreading around other western countries.
That'd explain the spate of Jewish riots over the years I guess.
Sorry for being snide but the old " they've suffered historically " seems a shallow (yet blindly subscribed to) excuse for homicide rates and burning the USA, presumably because everywhere they look is a reminder of past oppression.
Same as trans, gay and feminism. " You don't try to understand our plight" and when you try; "you'll never know what it's like to live our plight"
Why do so many black people reject the oppressive history excuse?
Why do we have to believe virtuous non black lecturers spouting their generalisations and assumptions with the superior certainty of benevolent plantation owners, describing their stock? ( not you mate)
Is it because it creates a problem that can never be solved, and that's good for business?
We all want to see the black community thrive but there's difference of opinion about the hierarchy of the many causes of the current situation.
To add an admittedly uninformed observation (but hell, isn't that the raison d'etre of the Fern?), it seems one way in which many in the US (and UK) black communities deal with their lot is with serious violence. Much of the time this is directed against other Black people.
Try policing that gently. And when there are incidents of overzealous policing, types like BLM blame the police for everything, when some considered introspection would surely indicate that if there was much less violence, the police problem would be commensurately less.
The hard messages are that the communities need to place more value on education and on family life, and stop tolerating an attitude that violence is the solution.
At the same time, local councils need to review their policies to try and find ways to encourage better education, housing and social welfare, etc.. By and large that involves the Democratic Party finding solutions -- they seem to be in power in most of these areas.
However, BLM is not focused on this at all, or at least that is what I gleaned from their website.
They ARE heavily focused on the November election, which IMO is not where the problems lie.
I'm no fan.
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@Frank said in Black Lives Matter:
@pakman
If the leadership of BLM are Marxists (as No Quarter's video seems to indicate), then they want the destruction of capitalism, then the first order of business is getting rid of Trump.Apart from Bernie I'd argue the mainstream of the Dems like capitalism almost as much as the GOP
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@canefan Just listened to Bret Weinstein say the same thing on the Joe Rogan podcast. Both the Dems and Repubs are supporting and supported by competing businesses. Therefore, it doesn't matter which one gets in, there is no change at all , basically business as usual.
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If that's the dynamism and eloquence of a 'trained' Marxist, I'd hate to see the 'untrained' version.
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I've got a facebook friend shouting loudly about how the whole world (i.e., Mercator projection) is racist and we have to do something how we in power created maps, on purpose, to center white in power.
After pointing out that it was developed to make maritime navigation easier, I've now been pointed to the following source, which proves - clearly - that the intention was racist.
I'm a bit speechless, as I agreed with the contention that it's a good idea to point out the problems with it's use, but apparently I have to also agree that the intentions of the Dutch mathematicians in the 16th century were to put black lives down. Or, I guess, I'm a racist?
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@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
@gt12 I don't know where it will lead, but shit's getting out of hand
For a bit of fun go into google a do a search for:
"Is (insert anything here) racist?"
The results are pretty stunning. I will never look at Milk, sweet potatoes, Mondays, weather etc the same way again.
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NASCAR's one black driver asked if they could cease to display the Confederate flag at NASCAR events, which they agreed to. 10 days later he finds a noose in his garage stall. Crazy
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@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
NASCAR's one black driver asked if they could cease to display the Confederate flag at NASCAR events, which they agreed to. 10 days later he finds a noose in his garage stall. Crazy
A nice gesture of solidarity by Nascar.
Will be interesting if anything else comes from this. There's been a fair few 'fake noose' incidents in recent history. Hopefully there is some evidence as to where it came from so the perpetrators can be found.
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@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
Just came out
The bigotry of low expectations is designed to disenfranchise . Then you look to your saviour and you have a choice of a race hustler or a bloke that looks like a plantation owner...