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Timing isn’t great here for the Nats.
I don’t mean just the short period to the election, they can do and say plenty in that time.
What they have to overcome is that Labour’s recovery plans (good or not) are underway and given the delay in getting infrastructure projects started not many would want a new govt putting a hold on things while they make changes -
Bridges almost got to the right message IMHO
"Labour has done an good job handling the crisis' they have faced....but going forward a economy focused National government is whats needed"...and then go on to talk about all the stuff they will do
you dont piss off the swing voters by coming out too confrontational, you concede that people weren't wrong when they liked Jacinda and you set a platform to move forward positively...
the reality is they come out and say they have to fix all the stuff they think Labour has broken...and then people will feel disconnected frm them and they'll loose
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@dogmeat first tipping, now this...might be time pal!
At least in recent times when Judith is interviewed, she is smiling, whereas a few years back she always had a stern look on her, which wasnt welcoming.
But agree with what @nzzp says too, exude confidence, attack policy, stay away from pointing at cindy (right or wrong)
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@taniwharugby ha ha but that smile! equal parts smarmy and predatory! as much directed at internal Nat naysayers as anyone else I reckon. She has the experience and toughness but unsure how well the rest will be received by voters, traditionally Nat voters or otherwise.
But I think she will literally bite the finger off anyone that tries to leak info or otherwise undermine her. Fair play I reckon!
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Chris-B This will be her only chance. Luxton is on the horizon, she has a chance to save the party from annihilation
A thing I learned today from google is that it's Luxon. I had in mind he was some part of the Luxton "dynasty"as well.
It's actually reasonable timing for Judith - she might not quite get a mulligan for losing this coming election, but if she performs credibly she's got a reasonable case to stay on given that right now it looks close to unwinnable.
Aside from which, who else could they appoint immediately post-election?
Luxon is going to need some time to learn the ropes and prove that he'd actually be any good.
Judith has just beaten out Mitchell.
Brownlee? Goldsmith?
If it's a debacle the axe would doubtless fall, but anything else she should stay on.
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@Paekakboyz yeah she still has that hard smile, but I do think she has been trying to soften her image as she does seem to come across more relaxed and with a more genuine looking smile.
GUess when the heat comes on in the coming weeks we will start to see if Crusher returns...
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@taniwharugby It was time long ago.
@Paekakboyz She's polarising. Not sure she's going to be able to pick up any Labour voters but Nats have polled consistently above 40 (Pandemic aside) for a decade now. If she can get there she'll have done her job and deserves a second shot.
It's not just the rictus smile, I reckoned she's done a Maggie Thatcher and softened her voice as well.
@canefan @Chris-B Not at all sold on Luxon. I think he's Soimon with a fake veneer.
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wasnt Judith polling higher than Simon when he was the leader?
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I kind of hate that there is so much discussion about Judith's fucking smile. Is she smart? Is she competent? Does she have a track record of getting shit done? How do her constituents feel about her representation in their area?
Don't recall anyone fapping on about Muller's smile. Or boy wonder Luxon, whoever he is.
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@Mokey Maggie Thatcher said she had to change her voice in order to win the leadership battle so I don't think the comments are that out of order.
Yes in an ideal world we'd all be policy geeks but that ship sailed decades ago. We are now all about personalities and presidential crowning's. So while I appreciate where you're coming from and actually agree - if Collins has modified her appearance to be electable it is a story.
Yes she is smart, ditto competent. Add hard working. Also capable of complete cock-ups, ingenuous misinformation campaigns and misguided loyalty. In other words a politician.
Her Papakura electorate has been staunchly Tory since it was created for the 78 election so hard to tell what they think of her but she's always polled in the 55-60% range. The little I've read about it she seems to put more back into the electorate than a lot of high profile MP's. Certainly seemed to during her year out of cabinet under Key.
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@Mokey maybe because a lot of that is already acknowledged, barring differences of opinion on her chops and/or performance?
Her smile and general expression on announcing her leadership was classic. I'd expect similar commentary had Simon made it back and was wearing a big "F-youse fullas" grin.
No one was fapping about Muller as he never smiled. I wonder if anyone told him to cheer up love?
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well given she is going up against Cindy who is the kindness queen with the smile wider than her head...
It should be irrelevant, and I dont think it is anything to do with her sex, all about perception, if she never smiles or has her serious face on all the time, people arent going to warm to them as easily.
IMO of course.
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I don't see any issue with talking about a smile, people about Trump and his smirking all the time. Not to mention his hair, his orange skin, his weight, his golf swing. Nobody calls that sexist?
Smiling, along with all other mannerisms form effective communication tools. Crucial for a politician.
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@voodoo said in NZ Politics:
Crucial for a politician
Yeah. Nah.
Almost missed the intent here. Poor form of me to let that through
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@voodoo said in NZ Politics:
Crucial for a politician
Yeah. Nah.
ideally maybe not but a lot of people look for "good" people as their leaders and friendly is commonly associated with "good", a professional politician should realise you have to win before anything before you can make the changes you think are needed
This is also more at play than elsewhere, National and labour are much closer than the right and left parties in other countries so when policies arent a million miles away from each other likable comes in to play
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