Coronavirus - Overall
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger tell that to Victoria. They couldn't be trusted to control it themselves so now they will head into level 4 lockdown
I really didn't need to look it up.
Daniel Michael Andrews is an Australian politician who is the 48th and incumbent Premier of Victoria, a post he has held since 2014. He has been the state leader of the Australian Labor Party since 2010, and from 2010 to 2014 was Leader of the Opposition.
'The numbers are too high': Premier poised to announce further restrictions as Victoria records 397 new cases, three deaths
For our free coronavirus pandemic coverage, learn more here.Victoria is on the brink of further lockdown measures as concern increases around the levels of community transmission of COVID-19 in the state.
After reporting more than 1300 new cases in the past two days, Victoria recorded 397 new cases on Saturday and three deaths.
A man in his 80s, and woman in her 80s, and a woman in her 90s died overnight, the Premier said. -
@Frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Russia have their vaccination ready.
Working for final approval by August 10.
Mass vaccinations aim to begin in October.I would have thought Bill Gates would have wanted to implant his chip in the Americans before the Russians. Maybe they're further along with their 5G control towers?
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@Frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Russia have their vaccination ready.
Working for final approval by August 10.
Mass vaccinations aim to begin in October.Putin probably isn't to fussed if their vaccine has a few unintended consequences and he loses a few citizens
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@Frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan
Might be, might also be they beat the west in getting a vaccine by some distance.
Hard pill for the anti-Russians to swallow.I guess anyone can get a vaccine out quickly if testing for adverse side effects goes out the window.
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given they supposedly 'stole' the UK vaccine which was already well into trial stage...
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Overall:
And simply saying 'we should have got our aged care protection right' is one thing, actually doing it is another.
Agreed, which is why I said in original post 'For EU-14 types it is clear they all need to reform the care systems as a result of lessons learned.'
The higher the number of infected citizens, the harder it is to wall off your nursing homes and hospitals. Nurses have to come in, and cleaners and doctors and other workers. And in Sweden they are at greater risk of catching the virus at the shops, or at a cafe than someone in a nearby country.
You're spot on to include cleaners and other workers, which are easily forgotten. That has been a particular problem with Covid, given (we NOW know) there are so many asymptomatic cases.
Th 'improved Swedish model' would have diverted resources to ensuring that care homes were quarantined. That would have meant live-in nurses cleaners, etc. Possibily a month on, month off system, or whatever oil rigs do.
The cost of that would have been a fraction of the cost of lockdown.
Going forward, care homes everywhere ought to be configured to enable quarantining when a pandemic hits in future. That means in the UK an end to homes being reliant on sharing workers, in particular agency staff.
Needless to say it will be a major exercise.
I wonder which government will be first to address it.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
There's a devilish irony that nursing homes are facilities built specifically for people to die in.
I said much the same thing the last time I visited my grandmother who's mind was still sharp but her body was failing her. I called them death camps. Old people waiting to die. Really depressing environment.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
There's a devilish irony that nursing homes are facilities built specifically for people to die in.
I said much the same thing the last time I visited my grandmother who's mind was still sharp but her body was failing her. I called them death camps. Old people waiting to die. Really depressing environment.
have heard them called 'wrinkly farming'
Edit: and there are good and bad versions. Good can be amazing; bad can be soul destroying
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
There's a devilish irony that nursing homes are facilities built specifically for people to die in.
I said much the same thing the last time I visited my grandmother who's mind was still sharp but her body was failing her. I called them death camps. Old people waiting to die. Really depressing environment.
I dont know which is worse, your grandma or mine whose mind is gone but her body keeps going regardless if they want a cure to COVID just give it to Grandma....apparently her body can shake anything off
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@pakman Tegnell would say that though wouldn't he.
It's all worked incredibly well except for the bit that we fucked up - Not that Sweden is alone there.
He's been incredibly defensive about the Swedish experiment to the extent of predicting dire things for NZ which is a bit ironic. You'd think he'd have more sympathy for the other outliers.
Basically he decided it'll take years for a vaccine to be developed so you might as well try for herd immunity as quickly as possible as lockdowns will only delay the inevitable. He also predicted that the other Scandinavian countries would see cases soar as soon as they eased their lockdowns.
He might well be proven right but at this point in time he's effectively traded 4 weeks out of lockdown for a much higher mortality rate. The other Scandi countries are now effectively as "open" as Sweden. The thinking that not going into lockdown would be better for the economy has been proven wrong.
It'll be very interesting to see how it all pans out.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Going forward, care homes everywhere ought to be configured to enable quarantining when a pandemic hits in future. That means in the UK an end to homes being reliant on sharing workers, in particular agency staff.
Needless to say it will be a major exercise.
It's a nice idea but impossible to implement. There are thousands of nursing homes here in Aus, each with hundreds of staff. Given the nature of the work it would skew female (I'm guessing) and many of those nurses and carers would have families of their own.
So some sort of quarantine for that many people for that length of time would be straight out impossible, IMO.
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@Tim said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Afghan refugees fleeing back over the border to return back to Afghanistan never made sense with the official numbers.
Assumed it was worse, but was still a 'believable ' amount of stats being released to make the obfuscation plausible. Almost well played.