Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemopo the answer?
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I dont think its a necessity for a 6 to smash blokes, obviously your pack should be making effective tackles when possible as a core role. as long as he has can nail what is required and make big plays to shift momentum in whatever manner. Peter O mahony had huge work rate and made some great steals at crucial times.
i dont think a bench loosie is much different, bring energy and preferably one of dominant Tackles or carries.
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@muddyriver said in Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemepo the answer?:
I dont think its a necessity for a 6 to smash blokes, obviously your pack should be making effective tackles when possible as a core role. as long as he has can nail what is required and make big plays to shift momentum in whatever manner. Peter O mahony had huge work rate and made some great steals at crucial times.
i dont think a bench loosie is much different, bring energy and preferably one of dominant Tackles or carries.
I think it's necessary for every All Black loose forward to hit hard in defense.
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Couple of interesting bits from the Short Ball podcast today:
Apparently, after losing about 50 kg, Karl Tu'inukuafe hasn't adjusted fully to his new body, and often moves like he's still carrying the weight. IIRC, this is expected to improve.
Mils was "pretty shocked" that Ioane missed selection, thought he grew during the NPC, and was pretty huge. Work-ons are further development of the physical side of his game, especially on defence - continuing with tackles, rather than trying to get over the ball.
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@tim said in Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemopo the answer?:
continuing with tackles, rather than trying to get over the ball
ah, if he is doing that he would fit in perfectly with the current AB side
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@mariner4life said in Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemopo the answer?:
@tim said in Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemopo the answer?:
continuing with tackles, rather than trying to get over the ball
ah, if he is doing that he would fit in perfectly with the current AB side
Penalty stats for AB's "tackler not releasing", "not rolling away" would be worth a look. We don't seem to be very good at getting a guy away from the tackle and getting another over the ball without getting penalised. Bloody difficult I know.
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@snowy said in Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemopo the answer?:
@mariner4life said in Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemopo the answer?:
@tim said in Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemopo the answer?:
continuing with tackles, rather than trying to get over the ball
ah, if he is doing that he would fit in perfectly with the current AB side
Penalty stats for AB's "tackler not releasing", "not rolling away" would be worth a look. We don't seem to be very good at getting a guy away from the tackle and getting another over the ball without getting penalised. Bloody difficult I know.
my bigger gripe is the blokes grabbing a guy, then letting him go to re position for the ball, allowing him to escape.
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@mariner4life said in Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemopo the answer?:
@snowy said in Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemopo the answer?:
@mariner4life said in Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemopo the answer?:
@tim said in Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemopo the answer?:
continuing with tackles, rather than trying to get over the ball
ah, if he is doing that he would fit in perfectly with the current AB side
Penalty stats for AB's "tackler not releasing", "not rolling away" would be worth a look. We don't seem to be very good at getting a guy away from the tackle and getting another over the ball without getting penalised. Bloody difficult I know.
my bigger gripe is the blokes grabbing a guy, then letting him go to re position for the ball, allowing him to escape.
Well Richie has sadly retired.
As the coaches keep saying - execution. We all know what they should be doing, but they ain't getting it right.
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They'll find another reason not to pick Akira as usual. Hansen failed badly there, whatever the personal agenda he had with him there.
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@African-Monkey the good news from insiders , he’s had big change of mind fix, which he needed to change , nobody else , if you had’nt noticed even the Auckland coaches were not starting Akira in the playing XV, he was behind Soututu..when your sitting on the pine watching someone else playing the house down you can either keep feeling sorry for yourself or you can do something about it and that’s what he’s done taken opportunity with injuries to both Robinson and Soututu..the blaming of Hansen is a load of nonsense in my opinion I think your the Lone Ranger on that one.
Hansen’s frustration only echoed what many thought at the time.
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@African-Monkey said in Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemopo the answer?:
They'll find another reason not to pick Akira as usual. Hansen failed badly there, whatever the personal agenda he had with him there.
How DARE a coach not pick a player with attitude and fitness problems.
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@Steven-Harris My criticism comes after there were far inferior players getting picked after he was playing the house down from 2017-2018 for both Auckland and the Blues yet people continued to knock him for no reason or as @Nepia says, shift the goalposts and find other reasons to criticise him. Yes he was in awful shape in the Mitre 10 Cup and was in a bad place and faded in last years Super Rugby but it wasn't helped with him getting played into the ground by the Blues with a lack of competition at the time.
Now he's just found his form from previous seasons but I'm sure there will be some reason as to why he'll get overlooked for higher honours.
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@African-Monkey said in Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemopo the answer?:
@Steven-Harris My criticism comes after there were far inferior players getting picked after he was playing the house down from 2017-2018 for both Auckland and the Blues yet people continued to knock him for no reason or as @Nepia says, shift the goalposts and find other reasons to criticise him. Yes he was in awful shape in the Mitre 10 Cup and was in a bad place and faded in last years Super Rugby but it wasn't helped with him getting played into the ground by the Blues with a lack of competition at the time.
Now he's just found his form from previous seasons but I'm sure there will be some reason as to why he'll get overlooked for higher honours.
In the 2017-2018 period he absolutely should have been selected, especially ahead of some of the players that did make it.
The impact of the very unusual public criticisms from Hansen lead to the drop off in form, and he has talked about the difficulty he faced handling that.
Must have been hard to take being labelled lazy when you play 80mins in every game and lead the team stats for tackles and attack for forwards. Was usually our last line of defence too.
But anyway, new coaches for the Blues and ABs and he's back to his 2018 form, maybe even better. He's a great player, would love to see what he'd bring to Test rugby. Those hits he put in yesterday were bone crunching.
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@African-Monkey said in Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemopo the answer?:
@Steven-Harris My criticism comes after there were far inferior players getting picked after he was playing the house down from 2017-2018 for both Auckland and the Blues yet people continued to knock him for no reason or as @Nepia says, shift the goalposts and find other reasons to criticise him. Yes he was in awful shape in the Mitre 10 Cup and was in a bad place and faded in last years Super Rugby but it wasn't helped with him getting played into the ground by the Blues with a lack of competition at the time.
Now he's just found his form from previous seasons but I'm sure there will be some reason as to why he'll get overlooked for higher honours.
- It's entirely possible for both positions to be true:
- Hansen et al may have noticed an element of his game missing.
- He may not have been given the opportunity within the Blues structures to demonstrate what the AB coaches wanted to see.
- Being physically exhausted may well have impacted his mental health
A rest and the Blues current form may have been the panacea to his current form.
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@KiwiMurph said in Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemopo the answer?:
Hansen's selection policy of loose forwards in the 2016-2019 4 year period certainly deserves some scrutiny.
Seemingly tried everyone under the sun (with a couple of notable exceptions) and never landed on a settled combination.
He knew his 7 and 8. Any diversion from them was due to injury.
6 was a problem because anyone that raised their hand then didn’t raise it again when given a shot. We were just in a slump with 6s. Some good ones coming through but not quick enough.
If you wanted a consistent loose trio who was going to be your 6? -
@Crucial said in Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemopo the answer?:
@KiwiMurph said in Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemopo the answer?:
Hansen's selection policy of loose forwards in the 2016-2019 4 year period certainly deserves some scrutiny.
Seemingly tried everyone under the sun (with a couple of notable exceptions) and never landed on a settled combination.
He knew his 7 and 8. Any diversion from them was due to injury.
6 was a problem because anyone that raised their hand then didn’t raise it again when given a shot. We were just in a slump with 6s. Some good ones coming through but not quick enough.
If you wanted a consistent loose trio who was going to be your 6?What's Liam Squire up to ?
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@MN5 said in Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemopo the answer?:
@Crucial said in Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemopo the answer?:
@KiwiMurph said in Are Akira Ioane and Jackson Hemopo the answer?:
Hansen's selection policy of loose forwards in the 2016-2019 4 year period certainly deserves some scrutiny.
Seemingly tried everyone under the sun (with a couple of notable exceptions) and never landed on a settled combination.
He knew his 7 and 8. Any diversion from them was due to injury.
6 was a problem because anyone that raised their hand then didn’t raise it again when given a shot. We were just in a slump with 6s. Some good ones coming through but not quick enough.
If you wanted a consistent loose trio who was going to be your 6?What's Liam Squire up to ?
True. He was really the first choice for a while except he kept breaking. The other side of that was that others had to get game time to understudy.
It was his choice to remove himself from contention.
