Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp I'm not disputing that but rather how sustainable it is / was. Pandemic (unfortunately) does give us time for a pause and to decide whether that is the best strategy.
I spent an entire summer in my pouf at Cathedral Cove on the Coromandel and only saw two other people there. While I'm not advocating anything like that, maybe busloads of tourists turning up for an Insta moment isn't ideal either. I think NZ can cope with the tourism numbers but we need a plan to spread them around a little more. Helps other regions and takes the pressure off the current choke points.
Wales is the same.
Shit marketing team pimping the same old same old.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@JC Bingo. A quick look on the stuff website has a story about Cindy responding to Trump's ludicrous claims about NZ and it's latest covid19 leak. Not much coverage about why we should be concerned about the systems failures that led to where we are now. Apparently Hipkins and Cindy were grilled about it in parliament today by Judith (at least). Only a paltry article about Winny saying that heads should roll over the whole thing
The Herald has a little more, but how can the Minister of Health and the PM, who basked in the success of the first covid19 elimination, now throw Ashley and anyone else they can find under the bus for testing issues this time around and not be called up on it? Truman once said the buck stops here(?). If the body stinks it does so from the head down
I have some sympathy for Hipkins (who I don’t normally have much time for) picking up a poisoned chalice. But I just can’t understand why there was no information flows around this. In any endeavour this would be considered a major lapse of management and governance. Why did no one ask for reporting? If the Minister or DG had asked for a simple report it would have highlighted immediately the gap in the strategy. So I can only assume the reports weren’t offered or asked for. Or they weren’t read, in which case someone should be resigning.
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@Kruse said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp I'm not disputing that but rather how sustainable it is / was. Pandemic (unfortunately) does give us time for a pause and to decide whether that is the best strategy.
It will be interesting to see if this is the epoch changing event that kills cheap international travel, and heralds an era of less travel. I'm not sure it's a bad thing - one of my kids bemoans the fact that 'all the people in his class' have passports and ahve been overseas.
That said, we were contemplating an extended trip around Europe next year - like 3-4 months. Was exciting, but looks completely off the table now. However, relocating to a country for a year (or 6 months) could be an interesting option.
The timing was quite good in that respect, for me personally. I got through 21 countries in 2019, so enough travel to last me a while. But, on the other hand... I got "stuck" in New Zealand, and pretty much forced into repatriation earlier than I'd intended.
I keep telling myself I'm actually lucky - I've found a job (starting next month), and even if all my shit is sitting in London, I'm about to have income again.
I just hope I don't come to subconsciously resent it.Mate if you need storage, I have a near empty garage en bloc for free! Just needs a decent door with a lock
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... and the hits just keep on coming. Even one of the Unite union officials says the government has screwed this up and “ It shows the danger of policy by press release, that actually there needs to be follow-through”. That pretty much sums up what has happened here. The government believed they were competent because they never bothered to check whether their thoughts were turning into actions.
No mention of this in Stuff or the Herald that I can see.
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I didn't hear about this development until now
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp I'm not disputing that but rather how sustainable it is / was. Pandemic (unfortunately) does give us time for a pause and to decide whether that is the best strategy.
It will be interesting to see if this is the epoch changing event that kills cheap international travel, and heralds an era of less travel. I'm not sure it's a bad thing - one of my kids bemoans the fact that 'all the people in his class' have passports and ahve been overseas.
That said, we were contemplating an extended trip around Europe next year - like 3-4 months. Was exciting, but looks completely off the table now. However, relocating to a country for a year (or 6 months) could be an interesting option.
Some relevant points from Tony Blair:
BBC cut him off!
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@pakman The Tony Blair Institute for Global Change. backed by William Hague and Jeremy Hunt. Now there's a club I wouldn't want to join.
He does make a good point about travel, testing and risk though.
Does he though?
We have the two test regime for people in managed isolation - Day 3 and Day 11. I'm not certain of the precise breakdown but in the daily reporting there are plenty who get picked up on Day 11.
So while a one off test at (or before the border) will definitely stop some cases from getting out it won't come anywhere near catching them all.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@pakman The Tony Blair Institute for Global Change. backed by William Hague and Jeremy Hunt. Now there's a club I wouldn't want to join.
He does make a good point about travel, testing and risk though.
Does he though?
We have the two test regime for people in managed isolation - Day 3 and Day 11. I'm not certain of the precise breakdown but in the daily reporting there are plenty who get picked up on Day 11.
So while a one off test at (or before the border) will definitely stop some cases from getting out it won't come anywhere near catching them all.
In the fern tradition of not reading the article. Assume he is talking UK, so not an elimination strategy, so maybe a one-off test is sufficient to catch 'enough'?
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@Mokey said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
While I'm glad all these orders are being clarified, and decrees/processes put in place...it's fucking MID AUGUST.
The level of numpty is astonishing. We clearly used up about 10 countries worth of
luckinspired and caring leadership to have those months of freedom.FTFY
all the kindness. many of the feels.
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@mariner4life need a hug?
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Has anyone seen any info in the official comms that specifically sets out whether you can drive from outside Auckland to the airport to return to an international destination? I'm struggling to find anything, and in fact, this seems to suggest you need to arrive on an aircraft:
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2020/0187/latest/LMS389837.html -
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Has anyone seen any info in the official comms that specifically sets out whether you can drive from outside Auckland to the airport to return to an international destination? I'm struggling to find anything, and in fact, this seems to suggest you need to arrive on an aircraft:
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2020/0187/latest/LMS389837.htmlEdit, saw @Godder s post in the other thread, will move myself there
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Has anyone seen any info in the official comms that specifically sets out whether you can drive from outside Auckland to the airport to return to an international destination? I'm struggling to find anything, and in fact, this seems to suggest you need to arrive on an aircraft:
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2020/0187/latest/LMS389837.htmlhttps://covid19.govt.nz/travel-and-the-border/travel-within-new-zealand/regional-travel/#travel-into,-out-of-and-through-auckland
Expressly stated there that you (and I) can drive into Auckland to catch a commercial flight.