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@Siam said in Aussie Politics:
@Hooroo said in Aussie Politics:
@Siam Looks as though he got what he deserved.
of course
I mean, don't put yourself in the position to get your head kicked in and you won't get your head kicked in.
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@Hooroo said in Aussie Politics:
@Siam said in Aussie Politics:
@Hooroo said in Aussie Politics:
@Siam Looks as though he got what he deserved.
of course
I mean, don't put yourself in the position to get your head kicked in and you won't get your head kicked in.
Of course
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Reports from mainstream media ( so real journalists) claim that the man was mentally ill and just tried to get an appointment at psychiatric hospital.
He is now in an induced coma.Probably deserved it though eh?
Video in Link shows him damaging the police car.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
Interesting two Qld Labor ministers quit at almost the same time
Kate Jones who has been alright as Tourism minister going is a strange one.
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@Siam said in Aussie Politics:
Reports from mainstream media ( so real journalists) claim that the man was mentally ill and just tried to get an appointment at psychiatric hospital.
He is now in an induced coma.Probably deserved it though eh?
Video in Link shows him damaging the police car.
It is going to be pretty hard for the cops to justify the head kick. There is some explaining to do with this one, unlike a couple of other examples from Victoria that have been on the news lately.
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@Crazy-Horse I'd like the standard in society to be "it's going to be pretty hard for any human to justify any head kick"
I hate them fucken cowardly things!
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@Siam said in Aussie Politics:
Reports from mainstream media ( so real journalists) claim that the man was mentally ill and just tried to get an appointment at psychiatric hospital.
He is now in an induced coma.Probably deserved it though eh?
Video in Link shows him damaging the police car.
Those arseholes have form for assaulting the mentally ill.
But I guess he put himself in that position so deserved it.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
Interesting two Qld Labor ministers quit at almost the same time
Kate Jones who has been alright as Tourism minister going is a strange one.
Kate Jones is about the only good one up there from both corners IMO. Massive loss to politics and whilst she won’t struggle to get another gig that will be a little more family friendly, she could’ve been the next leader.
The factional stuff in Qld labor is a unique beast. The CFMMEU and AWU still hold massive sway.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Aussie Politics:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
Interesting two Qld Labor ministers quit at almost the same time
Kate Jones who has been alright as Tourism minister going is a strange one.
Kate Jones is about the only good one up there from both corners IMO. Massive loss to politics and whilst she won’t struggle to get another gig that will be a little more family friendly, she could’ve been the next leader.
The factional stuff in Qld labor is a unique beast. The CFMMEU and AWU still hold massive sway.
Running the Broncos apparently
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@antipodean that Victorian policeman has inflicted demonstrably more brutality on a suspect than Derek Chauvin did in Minnesota.
Strange world.
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Am quite a fan of Joe Hildebrand.
Seems quite sensible...
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@Siam said in Aussie Politics:
@antipodean that Victorian policeman has inflicted demonstrably more brutality on a suspect than Derek Chauvin did in Minnesota.
Strange world.
I'm going to stick with the not doing it for 8 minutes and it not being deadly to go the other way.
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Was thinking about the Berejiklian saga this weekend, and I've got a theory I need to air out somewhere. Since my friends and family stopped listening to me years ago, the only forum I have left is the Fern. So here goes.
The issue with political scandals and accountability in this country is the binary lens through which it is all viewed and judged. By a binary lens I mean the only two outcomes for our leaders are to admit wrongdoing and resign, or deny wrongdoing and stay.
It's the former that is the problem. The bar for resignation is way too low IMO. This is not to say it's not appropriate in some cases, but I think the Berejiklian issue is a case in point.
She clearly should have done more when presented with the idea that her partner was doing land deals while a sitting MP. Now how much more is up for debate, but at very least she should have done more than she did.
However, she is not implicated in any corruption, and she has been an otherwise solid leader. Her opposition want her to resign, but in my eyes (and the vast majority of the public) think that is too harsh a sanction to impose.
But there's no other sanction that can be. So we ping-pong between 'she did nothing wrong' and 'she needs to resign', though most people would say the truth lies somewhere in the middle. There needs to be a way of sanctioning politicians without them having to resign, for their own sake but also for ours too (there's no way NSW would be better off with yet another new Premier, new Cabinet, etc etc).
I don't know if there's an easy answer here, other than an NRL-style judiciary where Gladys is found guilty of a grade 1 blunder and is suspended from Parliament for a week. But I think it's worth some thought, as a more nuanced public commentary would probably provoke more honesty and accountability from pollies.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
Was thinking about the Berejiklian saga this weekend, and I've got a theory I need to air out somewhere. Since my friends and family stopped listening to me years ago, the only forum I have left is the Fern. So here goes.
The issue with political scandals and accountability in this country is the binary lens through which it is all viewed and judged. By a binary lens I mean the only two outcomes for our leaders are to admit wrongdoing and resign, or deny wrongdoing and stay.
It's the former that is the problem. The bar for resignation is way too low IMO. This is not to say it's not appropriate in some cases, but I think the Berejiklian issue is a case in point.
She clearly should have done more when presented with the idea that her partner was doing land deals while a sitting MP. Now how much more is up for debate, but at very least she should have done more than she did.
However, she is not implicated in any corruption, and she has been an otherwise solid leader. Her opposition want her to resign, but in my eyes (and the vast majority of the public) think that is too harsh a sanction to impose.
But there's no other sanction that can be. So we ping-pong between 'she did nothing wrong' and 'she needs to resign', though most people would say the truth lies somewhere in the middle. There needs to be a way of sanctioning politicians without them having to resign, for their own sake but also for ours too (there's no way NSW would be better off with yet another new Premier, new Cabinet, etc etc).
I don't know if there's an easy answer here, other than an NRL-style judiciary where Gladys is found guilty of a grade 1 blunder and is suspended from Parliament for a week. But I think it's worth some thought, as a more nuanced public commentary would probably provoke more honesty and accountability from pollies.
Great post mate, totally agree. Have hashed out similar debates with friends on other forums. I haven't enjoyed the whole "I'm just a woman who fell for the wrong guy, I'll never let myself fall again" narrative, IMO its a terrible message to young women. But at the same time, she's been a fantastic premier for the most part, and I'd still vote her back in if she runs.
I dont know what an appropriate punishment would be though. I'm not sure that standing her down would help the people of NSW any, is it a financial penalty or some sort of black mark/strike on your record?
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What penalty is required? She serves as Premier of NSW at the whim of her party. Given the rampant corruption of NSW politicians and judiciary over its history, why clamour for some sanction to be held against a politician that hasn't broken the law nor seen to be acting against the best interests of NSW residents?
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