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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan ACT are correct of course but it's almost fake news in that it ignores the fact that every government increases taxes like this.
National introduced the brightline tax, increased tobacco, fuel and alcohol every year, raised GST 2.5%, introduced a tax on employer KiwiSaver contributions and halved the annual member tax credit, cutting up to $512 a year off savers, introduced a border levy, a tax on digital purchases and raised fees for prescriptions, family courts etc
so how come it wasn't bills-us-english or keyp-our-money?
So Taxinda has raised taxes? Which was the question being asked.
Tried desperately for a captial gains tax and now is raising the top end rate for income tax. National do that?
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@Kirwan It wasn't me that queried the Taxinda name - I have no issues with it. I was merely pointing out that every party raises taxes by stealth. Labour this term has been no better or worse than their predecessors.
It's actually a problem for National as one of their traditional major focuses of attack has been removed. Taxinda has said she will never revisit CGT and the 39% tax rate isn't going to lose them many, if any, voters.
What National should concentrate on is why the govt spent all that time and money on a tax working group and then did nothing. Remind some on the left that Labour isn't delivering.
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan It wasn't me that queried the Taxinda name - I have no issues with it. I was merely pointing out that every party raises taxes by stealth. Labour this term has been no better or worse than their predecessors.
It's actually a problem for National as one of their traditional major focuses of attack has been removed. Taxinda has said she will never revisit CGT and the 39% tax rate isn't going to lose them many, if any, voters.
What National should concentrate on is why the govt spent all that time and money on a tax working group and then did nothing. Remind some on the left that Labour isn't delivering.
And as I mentioned earlier, that's what many of their social media posts are doing. Some of them are quite funny.
I was replying to an earlier poster that queried the name, the implication that it was unfair. Clearly they have raised and introduced (and tried for more) enough taxes for that name to stick.
The regional fuel tax in particular is a painful tax. She then had the balls to blame the fuel companies when 40% of the price of fuel is now tax.
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Yeah I have no issue with the Regional Fuel tax if it delivers much needed infrastructure. I can see why the likes of @Snowy out in the boonies might feel he gets no benefit from it but that's the nature of any taxation. My tax contributes to lots of things that don't benefit me directly.
I have to admit I don't even know what petrol costs as I haven't had to pay for any for decades but the commerce commission decided the fuel companies were ripping the public off didn't they so tax take irrespective they were a deserving target.
I have done some quick research. National increased fuel tax by 20 cents, introduced a 9 cent/litre carbon tax and increased GST by 2.5% Labour have increased fuel tax by 10.5 cents and introduced Regional Fuel tax.
Not sure which govt first committed to actually spending the tax on transport
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
Regional Fuel tax is a strange example to moan about.
It is your council that asked for the provision to be put in place then your council that asked to use it.Oh, you make a distinction between the Phil Goff lead council and Labour? Cute.
It's 100% a Labour led tax.
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
Yeah I have no issue with the Regional Fuel tax if it delivers much needed infrastructure. I can see why the likes of @Snowy out in the boonies might feel he gets no benefit from it but that's the nature of any taxation. My tax contributes to lots of things that don't benefit me directly.
I have to admit I don't even know what petrol costs as I haven't had to pay for any for decades but the commerce commission decided the fuel companies were ripping the public off didn't they so tax take irrespective they were a deserving target.
I have done some quick research. National increased fuel tax by 20 cents, introduced a 9 cent/litre carbon tax and increased GST by 2.5% Labour have increased fuel tax by 10.5 cents and introduced Regional Fuel tax.
Not sure which govt first committed to actually spending the tax on transport
One of the main justifications of the tax increase was the light rail white elephant policy from Labour, now "on hold". So again, they aren't keeping their promises.
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@Kirwan Akl Council wanted it to support CRL
The light rail timeframe they promised was never going to be achieved but it's now on hold because of muppet Twyford getting seduced by the Super Fund light metro proposal which really would be a nonsensical white elephant.
Much as I want light rail on the isthmus and even more urgently out to Westgate I'm glad NZF scuppered Twyfords folly even if they did it for all the wrong reasons
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
I can see why the likes of @Snowy out in the boonies might feel he gets no benefit from it but that's the nature of any taxation. My tax contributes to lots of things that don't benefit me directly.
All of mine does go somewhere else, which is my issue. Fuel tax? For AKL? WTF. I live so far away and try not to go there but still cop it. I could drive 60km north and save some cash but that is defeating the purpose. I would rather the tax money went somewhere and could see some results, which we don't.
Rates are tax. I get nothing. Why are they they same everywhere? The supercity is a serious rort.
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@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
I can see why the likes of @Snowy out in the boonies might feel he gets no benefit from it but that's the nature of any taxation. My tax contributes to lots of things that don't benefit me directly.
All of mine does go somewhere else, which is my issue. Fuel tax? For AKL? WTF. I live so far away and try not to go there but still cop it. I could drive 60km north and save some cash but that is defeating the purpose. I would rather the tax money went somewhere and could see some results, which we don't.
Rates are tax. I get nothing. Why are they they same everywhere? The supercity is a serious rort.
Blame ACT for that one, that was a Rodney Hide special.
Despite the complaints, we tax fuel less than most of the OECD apparently (https://www.aa.co.nz/cars/owning-a-car/fuel-prices-and-types/how-petrol-prices-are-calculated/)
Hypothecation of fuel taxes was introduced by Dr Cullen (Labour) from July 2008.
I know people like to complain, but we are a low tax country by OECD measures. A few tweaks and small increases here and there doesn't change that. Even if we introduced the Green tax and welfare policies, we would still be in the bottom half of the OECD for tax.
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@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
I can see why the likes of @Snowy out in the boonies might feel he gets no benefit from it but that's the nature of any taxation. My tax contributes to lots of things that don't benefit me directly.
All of mine does go somewhere else, which is my issue. Fuel tax? For AKL? WTF. I live so far away and try not to go there but still cop it. I could drive 60km north and save some cash but that is defeating the purpose. I would rather the tax money went somewhere and could see some results, which we don't.
Rates are tax. I get nothing. Why are they they same everywhere? The supercity is a serious rort.
Blame ACT for that one, that was a Rodney Hide special.
Despite the complaints, we tax fuel less than most of the OECD apparently (https://www.aa.co.nz/cars/owning-a-car/fuel-prices-and-types/how-petrol-prices-are-calculated/)
Hypothecation of fuel taxes was introduced by Dr Cullen (Labour) from July 2008.
I know people like to complain, but we are a low tax country by OECD measures. A few tweaks and small increases here and there doesn't change that. Even if we introduced the Green tax and welfare policies, we would still be in the bottom half of the OECD for tax.
Yep, everyone upset about NZ tax hikes should try living in the UK. Scandinavian-style tax with the state providing comparatively stuff all..
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
In the UK they had stamp duty on house sales - kind of a CGT in another name. Low rated, but applied to every property transaction.Just looked it up (https://www.gov.uk/stamp-duty-land-tax/residential-property-rates#:~:text=You usually pay Stamp Duty,when you bought the property) - free up to GBP500k, then 5-12% above that!
Just catching up on this thread, so forgive me if addressed, but you triggered me. They changed Stamp duty recently as part of covid I think. We got absolutely reamed selling sub 300k last year.
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@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
I can see why the likes of @Snowy out in the boonies might feel he gets no benefit from it but that's the nature of any taxation. My tax contributes to lots of things that don't benefit me directly.
All of mine does go somewhere else, which is my issue. Fuel tax? For AKL? WTF. I live so far away and try not to go there but still cop it. I could drive 60km north and save some cash but that is defeating the purpose. I would rather the tax money went somewhere and could see some results, which we don't.
Rates are tax. I get nothing. Why are they they same everywhere? The supercity is a serious rort.
Blame ACT for that one, that was a Rodney Hide special.
you can - and the Super hasn't been awesome, but the previous configuration wasn't working either. Trying to get region wide agreement on work was damn near impossible - and then (and this goes back to Robbie's light rail) councils (well, politicians) seemed to oppose initiatives, not because they would lose out, but because someone else would gain more. It was dysfunctional and toxic.
No obvious fixes, and a lot of that has got a heap better. But yeah, 'super city' eh. Needs a Tui billboard.
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@Bones said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
In the UK they had stamp duty on house sales - kind of a CGT in another name. Low rated, but applied to every property transaction.Just looked it up (https://www.gov.uk/stamp-duty-land-tax/residential-property-rates#:~:text=You usually pay Stamp Duty,when you bought the property) - free up to GBP500k, then 5-12% above that!
Just catching up on this thread, so forgive me if addressed, but you triggered me. They changed Stamp duty recently as part of covid I think. We got absolutely reamed selling sub 300k last year.
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@TeWaio said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
I can see why the likes of @Snowy out in the boonies might feel he gets no benefit from it but that's the nature of any taxation. My tax contributes to lots of things that don't benefit me directly.
All of mine does go somewhere else, which is my issue. Fuel tax? For AKL? WTF. I live so far away and try not to go there but still cop it. I could drive 60km north and save some cash but that is defeating the purpose. I would rather the tax money went somewhere and could see some results, which we don't.
Rates are tax. I get nothing. Why are they they same everywhere? The supercity is a serious rort.
Blame ACT for that one, that was a Rodney Hide special.
Despite the complaints, we tax fuel less than most of the OECD apparently (https://www.aa.co.nz/cars/owning-a-car/fuel-prices-and-types/how-petrol-prices-are-calculated/)
Hypothecation of fuel taxes was introduced by Dr Cullen (Labour) from July 2008.
I know people like to complain, but we are a low tax country by OECD measures. A few tweaks and small increases here and there doesn't change that. Even if we introduced the Green tax and welfare policies, we would still be in the bottom half of the OECD for tax.
Yep, everyone upset about NZ tax hikes should try living in the UK. Scandinavian-style tax with the state providing comparatively stuff all..
Lived in the UK for over ten years, experienced that shit show. A big reason I don't want NZ to go down the same path.
Also, pointing at other countries (like Godder above) saying we aren't as bad as them is such a low bar. We are a small country and need to be innovative as much as possible to maximise what little benefits we have.
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