Coronavirus - New Zealand
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seems this journo just making shit up, you cant tell me a move back up the levels is even remotely possible, if anything, I think this recent case just highlights the pointlessness of lockdowns to try and control it while we have the border open (and we know they cant close it)
Move back to alert level 3 or 4
As much as Kiwis want to move down alert levels, it is not out of the question that there could be a move up.
If Auckland – or New Zealand as a whole – moved back to level 3 or 4, restrictions would heavily increase and some shops would have to close again.
People would be asked to work from home and travel would be further restricted.
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Ministry of Health officials said this man either had a rare, extremely long incubation period after catching Covid-19 on the flight from India, or caught it on his flight from Christchurch to Auckland.
However, Baker told Stuff a third option seemed more likely: that the man was infected at the managed isolation facility.
“If he was infected at day 10 he could have been negative at day 12 and developed symptoms in Auckland,” Baker said.
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Auckland 'drops' to L2 form Midnight Wednesday, for at least 14 days and if you travel outside Auckland, take your 'level2' with you.
Rest of NZ back to L1
Interesting how the 'reviews' are pushed out a day or 2 each time too.
I mean the last change was a midnight Sunday change, now a midnight Monday for rest of NZ, and Wednesday for Auckland.
The pipedream still alive though:
Analysis shows that there's still a 50/50 chance of eliminating Covid-19 by the end of the month.
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@taniwharugby in part, the Covid orders require 48 hours before they take effect, so a lot of it is dependent on when they are drafted and signed.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Auckland 'drops' to L2 form Midnight Wednesday, for at least 14 days and if you travel outside Auckland, take your 'level2' with you.
Rest of NZ back to L1
Interesting how the 'reviews' are pushed out a day or 2 each time too.
I mean the last change was a midnight Sunday change, now a midnight Monday for rest of NZ, and Wednesday for Auckland.
The pipedream still alive though:
Analysis shows that there's still a 50/50 chance of eliminating Covid-19 by the end of the month.
It's impossible to eliminate it. We can't even eliminate the common cold or the flu, it's a ludicrous goal.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Auckland 'drops' to L2 form Midnight Wednesday, for at least 14 days and if you travel outside Auckland, take your 'level2' with you.
Rest of NZ back to L1
Interesting how the 'reviews' are pushed out a day or 2 each time too.
I mean the last change was a midnight Sunday change, now a midnight Monday for rest of NZ, and Wednesday for Auckland.
The pipedream still alive though:
Analysis shows that there's still a 50/50 chance of eliminating Covid-19 by the end of the month.
It's impossible to eliminate it. We can't even eliminate the common cold or the flu, it's a ludicrous goal.
I spent the weekend in Auckland for a night off the farm and the only difference I could tell from normality was that I needed to have a mask on when Ubering about.
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Auckland 'drops' to L2 form Midnight Wednesday, for at least 14 days and if you travel outside Auckland, take your 'level2' with you.
Rest of NZ back to L1
Interesting how the 'reviews' are pushed out a day or 2 each time too.
I mean the last change was a midnight Sunday change, now a midnight Monday for rest of NZ, and Wednesday for Auckland.
The pipedream still alive though:
Analysis shows that there's still a 50/50 chance of eliminating Covid-19 by the end of the month.
It's impossible to eliminate it. We can't even eliminate the common cold or the flu, it's a ludicrous goal.
I spent the weekend in Auckland for a night off the farm and the only difference I could tell from normality was that I needed to have a mask on when Ubering about.
People are going about their business as best they can. The economic impact is like an iceberg, 80% of it is below the surface.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Auckland 'drops' to L2 form Midnight Wednesday, for at least 14 days and if you travel outside Auckland, take your 'level2' with you.
Rest of NZ back to L1
Interesting how the 'reviews' are pushed out a day or 2 each time too.
I mean the last change was a midnight Sunday change, now a midnight Monday for rest of NZ, and Wednesday for Auckland.
The pipedream still alive though:
Analysis shows that there's still a 50/50 chance of eliminating Covid-19 by the end of the month.
It's impossible to eliminate it. We can't even eliminate the common cold or the flu, it's a ludicrous goal.
I spent the weekend in Auckland for a night off the farm and the only difference I could tell from normality was that I needed to have a mask on when Ubering about.
People are going about their business as best they can. The economic impact is like an iceberg, 80% of it is below the surface.
Yes, completely get that, I guess I was more saying that we are all going about our day to day business as normal (Well that is what it appears to me) No real difference between levels 2.5, 2 and 1. In fact what is the difference between 2.5 and 2?
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It's about elimination of community spread; not of the virus itself.
Who said anything about that?
To make it clear, we can't prevent people getting other viruses like colds or the flu. The only way, before a vaccine, is to completely close the border. It's not a practical goal.
When we started the lockdowns we were told we were trying to flatten the curve so our health system didn't get overloaded. The change to an elimination goal is going to cause long term damage to the country.
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It's about elimination of community spread; not of the virus itself.
Thats not how a large portion of people will read it though.
And that is until next time, similar to the article I posted about how that guy who tested positive after leaving isolation, with one of the possible ways he got it, was during the last few days of his isolation, that if proven to be correct, means our managed facilities again will be under the spotlight.
I am all for keeping our numbers down, but we must do it better than shutting the country down and stopping people and communities from doing anything at all.
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Auckland 'drops' to L2 form Midnight Wednesday, for at least 14 days and if you travel outside Auckland, take your 'level2' with you.
Rest of NZ back to L1
Interesting how the 'reviews' are pushed out a day or 2 each time too.
I mean the last change was a midnight Sunday change, now a midnight Monday for rest of NZ, and Wednesday for Auckland.
The pipedream still alive though:
Analysis shows that there's still a 50/50 chance of eliminating Covid-19 by the end of the month.
It's impossible to eliminate it. We can't even eliminate the common cold or the flu, it's a ludicrous goal.
I spent the weekend in Auckland for a night off the farm and the only difference I could tell from normality was that I needed to have a mask on when Ubering about.
People are going about their business as best they can. The economic impact is like an iceberg, 80% of it is below the surface.
Yes, completely get that, I guess I was more saying that we are all going about our day to day business as normal (Well that is what it appears to me) No real difference between levels 2.5, 2 and 1. In fact what is the difference between 2.5 and 2?
I'm unsure of the actual rules but under 2.5 AKL hospo businesses were unviable. Under 2 for the last few weeks in Welly most hospo is operating as normal.
Rugby games will get crowds back if not played at EP, Puke or Albany
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Auckland 'drops' to L2 form Midnight Wednesday, for at least 14 days and if you travel outside Auckland, take your 'level2' with you.
Rest of NZ back to L1
Interesting how the 'reviews' are pushed out a day or 2 each time too.
I mean the last change was a midnight Sunday change, now a midnight Monday for rest of NZ, and Wednesday for Auckland.
The pipedream still alive though:
Analysis shows that there's still a 50/50 chance of eliminating Covid-19 by the end of the month.
It's impossible to eliminate it. We can't even eliminate the common cold or the flu, it's a ludicrous goal.
I spent the weekend in Auckland for a night off the farm and the only difference I could tell from normality was that I needed to have a mask on when Ubering about.
People are going about their business as best they can. The economic impact is like an iceberg, 80% of it is below the surface.
Yes, completely get that, I guess I was more saying that we are all going about our day to day business as normal (Well that is what it appears to me) No real difference between levels 2.5, 2 and 1. In fact what is the difference between 2.5 and 2?
I'm unsure of the actual rules but under 2.5 AKL hospo businesses were unviable. Under 2 for the last few weeks in Welly most hospo is operating as normal.
Rugby games will get crowds back if not played at EP, Puke or Albany
The hospo is operating as per normal from what I saw. No distancing between tables and communal tables at some places.
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Auckland 'drops' to L2 form Midnight Wednesday, for at least 14 days and if you travel outside Auckland, take your 'level2' with you.
Rest of NZ back to L1
Interesting how the 'reviews' are pushed out a day or 2 each time too.
I mean the last change was a midnight Sunday change, now a midnight Monday for rest of NZ, and Wednesday for Auckland.
The pipedream still alive though:
Analysis shows that there's still a 50/50 chance of eliminating Covid-19 by the end of the month.
It's impossible to eliminate it. We can't even eliminate the common cold or the flu, it's a ludicrous goal.
I spent the weekend in Auckland for a night off the farm and the only difference I could tell from normality was that I needed to have a mask on when Ubering about.
People are going about their business as best they can. The economic impact is like an iceberg, 80% of it is below the surface.
Yes, completely get that, I guess I was more saying that we are all going about our day to day business as normal (Well that is what it appears to me) No real difference between levels 2.5, 2 and 1. In fact what is the difference between 2.5 and 2?
I'm unsure of the actual rules but under 2.5 AKL hospo businesses were unviable. Under 2 for the last few weeks in Welly most hospo is operating as normal.
Rugby games will get crowds back if not played at EP, Puke or Albany
The hospo is operating as per normal from what I saw. No distancing between tables and communal tables at some places.
So apart from mass gatherings what are people whinging about?
L2 has been pretty much normality except for masks on transport and tracking promotion -
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo L2.5 was restricted to 10 people 'gatherings' whereas L2 is 100 I believe.
L1 means we can have crowds at M10 Cup games apart from Auckland and CM.
And Harbour?
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If they are going to continue with border quarantine, they need to set up a proper facility somewhere in the wops. Perhaps a military base. I'm sure hotels are loving sending mega invoices to the govt, but it's a ridiculous cost for taxpayers to bear, especially long term.
We'll never eliminate. We just need to manage the risk without bankrupting the country. Shutting down everything each time there are a handful of cases is a terrible strategy - the whole country shouldn't be punished because you have a group of dipshits like the church goers.
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The WHO definition of elimination is no endemic transmission for three years. Outbreaks of less than 12 months don't affect that status. Measles and Rubella are both officially eliminated, but occasionally still reappear from overseas sources. Perhaps that's aspirational for Covid, but is obviously more achievable than literally 0 community cases at all times.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The WHO definition of elimination is no endemic transmission for three years. Outbreaks of less than 12 months don't affect that status. Measles and Rubella are both officially eliminated, but occasionally still reappear from overseas sources. Perhaps that's aspirational for Covid, but is obviously more achievable than literally 0 community cases at all times.
That nice, what definition is the government using because the messaging keeps changing.