Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It's about elimination of community spread; not of the virus itself.
Who said anything about that?
To make it clear, we can't prevent people getting other viruses like colds or the flu. The only way, before a vaccine, is to completely close the border. It's not a practical goal.
When we started the lockdowns we were told we were trying to flatten the curve so our health system didn't get overloaded. The change to an elimination goal is going to cause long term damage to the country.
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It's about elimination of community spread; not of the virus itself.
Thats not how a large portion of people will read it though.
And that is until next time, similar to the article I posted about how that guy who tested positive after leaving isolation, with one of the possible ways he got it, was during the last few days of his isolation, that if proven to be correct, means our managed facilities again will be under the spotlight.
I am all for keeping our numbers down, but we must do it better than shutting the country down and stopping people and communities from doing anything at all.
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Auckland 'drops' to L2 form Midnight Wednesday, for at least 14 days and if you travel outside Auckland, take your 'level2' with you.
Rest of NZ back to L1
Interesting how the 'reviews' are pushed out a day or 2 each time too.
I mean the last change was a midnight Sunday change, now a midnight Monday for rest of NZ, and Wednesday for Auckland.
The pipedream still alive though:
Analysis shows that there's still a 50/50 chance of eliminating Covid-19 by the end of the month.
It's impossible to eliminate it. We can't even eliminate the common cold or the flu, it's a ludicrous goal.
I spent the weekend in Auckland for a night off the farm and the only difference I could tell from normality was that I needed to have a mask on when Ubering about.
People are going about their business as best they can. The economic impact is like an iceberg, 80% of it is below the surface.
Yes, completely get that, I guess I was more saying that we are all going about our day to day business as normal (Well that is what it appears to me) No real difference between levels 2.5, 2 and 1. In fact what is the difference between 2.5 and 2?
I'm unsure of the actual rules but under 2.5 AKL hospo businesses were unviable. Under 2 for the last few weeks in Welly most hospo is operating as normal.
Rugby games will get crowds back if not played at EP, Puke or Albany
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Auckland 'drops' to L2 form Midnight Wednesday, for at least 14 days and if you travel outside Auckland, take your 'level2' with you.
Rest of NZ back to L1
Interesting how the 'reviews' are pushed out a day or 2 each time too.
I mean the last change was a midnight Sunday change, now a midnight Monday for rest of NZ, and Wednesday for Auckland.
The pipedream still alive though:
Analysis shows that there's still a 50/50 chance of eliminating Covid-19 by the end of the month.
It's impossible to eliminate it. We can't even eliminate the common cold or the flu, it's a ludicrous goal.
I spent the weekend in Auckland for a night off the farm and the only difference I could tell from normality was that I needed to have a mask on when Ubering about.
People are going about their business as best they can. The economic impact is like an iceberg, 80% of it is below the surface.
Yes, completely get that, I guess I was more saying that we are all going about our day to day business as normal (Well that is what it appears to me) No real difference between levels 2.5, 2 and 1. In fact what is the difference between 2.5 and 2?
I'm unsure of the actual rules but under 2.5 AKL hospo businesses were unviable. Under 2 for the last few weeks in Welly most hospo is operating as normal.
Rugby games will get crowds back if not played at EP, Puke or Albany
The hospo is operating as per normal from what I saw. No distancing between tables and communal tables at some places.
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Auckland 'drops' to L2 form Midnight Wednesday, for at least 14 days and if you travel outside Auckland, take your 'level2' with you.
Rest of NZ back to L1
Interesting how the 'reviews' are pushed out a day or 2 each time too.
I mean the last change was a midnight Sunday change, now a midnight Monday for rest of NZ, and Wednesday for Auckland.
The pipedream still alive though:
Analysis shows that there's still a 50/50 chance of eliminating Covid-19 by the end of the month.
It's impossible to eliminate it. We can't even eliminate the common cold or the flu, it's a ludicrous goal.
I spent the weekend in Auckland for a night off the farm and the only difference I could tell from normality was that I needed to have a mask on when Ubering about.
People are going about their business as best they can. The economic impact is like an iceberg, 80% of it is below the surface.
Yes, completely get that, I guess I was more saying that we are all going about our day to day business as normal (Well that is what it appears to me) No real difference between levels 2.5, 2 and 1. In fact what is the difference between 2.5 and 2?
I'm unsure of the actual rules but under 2.5 AKL hospo businesses were unviable. Under 2 for the last few weeks in Welly most hospo is operating as normal.
Rugby games will get crowds back if not played at EP, Puke or Albany
The hospo is operating as per normal from what I saw. No distancing between tables and communal tables at some places.
So apart from mass gatherings what are people whinging about?
L2 has been pretty much normality except for masks on transport and tracking promotion -
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo L2.5 was restricted to 10 people 'gatherings' whereas L2 is 100 I believe.
L1 means we can have crowds at M10 Cup games apart from Auckland and CM.
And Harbour?
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If they are going to continue with border quarantine, they need to set up a proper facility somewhere in the wops. Perhaps a military base. I'm sure hotels are loving sending mega invoices to the govt, but it's a ridiculous cost for taxpayers to bear, especially long term.
We'll never eliminate. We just need to manage the risk without bankrupting the country. Shutting down everything each time there are a handful of cases is a terrible strategy - the whole country shouldn't be punished because you have a group of dipshits like the church goers.
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The WHO definition of elimination is no endemic transmission for three years. Outbreaks of less than 12 months don't affect that status. Measles and Rubella are both officially eliminated, but occasionally still reappear from overseas sources. Perhaps that's aspirational for Covid, but is obviously more achievable than literally 0 community cases at all times.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The WHO definition of elimination is no endemic transmission for three years. Outbreaks of less than 12 months don't affect that status. Measles and Rubella are both officially eliminated, but occasionally still reappear from overseas sources. Perhaps that's aspirational for Covid, but is obviously more achievable than literally 0 community cases at all times.
That nice, what definition is the government using because the messaging keeps changing.
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I needed to have a mask on when Ubering about.
Actually, you didn't. It is encouraged for passengers and mandatory for drivers. Lvl 2.5 has been a joke and pretty much totally ignored. The changing of the social distancing on public transport mid lockdown was ludicrous as well.
Of course losing half the Harbour Bridge was just the cherry on the top of 20fucking20.
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@taniwharugby I'm no engineer, but I'm guessing they would say that the fact that it is still standing shows the design worked.
It's not one of the main box girders and was hit by a container weighing around 2.3 tonnes I guess. Not really an anticipated event I imagine. My car was going into service in Grey Lynn today so I dropped it over last night and had the opportunity to see the girder while stuck in traffic. Again no engineer but I believe the terminology is totally fucking munted
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@dogmeat when building things I dont think Engineers always have a grasp on some of the peripheral stuff that can happen.
I mean the Te Matau Pohe bridge up here, designed by some engineers in Europe, didnt account for being able to lift the bridge when the temps got over 25deg and the steel expanded...
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat when building things I dont think Engineers always have a grasp on some of the peripheral stuff that can happen.
I mean the Te Matau Pohe bridge up here, designed by some engineers in Europe, didnt account for being able to lift the bridge when the temps got over 25deg and the steel expanded...
It is usually that the tolerances are guesses and eventually something happens to prove or disprove the guess.
Ski lifts at Mt Ruapehu are a good example. The engineers from a major engineering firm that have designed and installed lifts all over the world struck problems there that they have never seen before from ice loading and shear winds.
My old man was a design engineer for HVAC in large complexes like shopping malls, which are never the same in their layouts, shapes etc. He would have to go and commission his own designs and the amount of fiddling around tolerance calculations was huge. And that's from something that you can test and model reasonably easily. -
@Virgil said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Rest of NZ probably wishes the Harbour Bridge collapsed completely into the sea trapping a big chunk of the population up here
As long as Aucklanders can still drive their SUVs to pick up their soy lattes they’ll be happy in isolation
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial I was being somewhat facetious, but there are some who are incredibly intelligent at what they do but sometimes lack the practicality when it comes to real world stuff.
I think extending that argument to one freak event in millions of vehicle crossings over 60 years is a bit of a push. Can't account for every possibility.