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@rotated said in US Politics:
@Snowy said in US Politics:
@pakman said in US Politics:
Lots of rechecking/recounting coming in a few states?
Probably, but I really doubt that the Zombie vote is going to change much overall.
A dead Republican won a state legislature seat in North Dakota so if anything I can only assume the zombie vote skews conservative.
It was corona virus too wasn't it?
Some sort of irony there, given Trumps corona actions and that he was GOP.Dead people voting is hilarious.
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@Siam said in US Politics:
@Crucial Wait a minute, everything is a suscpician in every court case for anything - until it is presented as evidence in a court of law.
Suscipion of theft, assault, rape, arson, etc
By your standard there needn't be anything taken to court ever
Why such reticence to follow through on a tenet of democracy - "entitled to your day in court"?
Not much gets to court based on suspicion and not everything gets beyond a cursory investigation to find evidence.
“I suspect John has been murdered because I haven’t seen him lately” rarely warrants a full murder investigation whereas “There is blood all over the walls in John’s house” does.
All I am asking for is some stronger evidence of wrongdoing than a mere suspicion.
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@Siam said in US Politics:
@Crucial you're scared of an investigation aren't you?
Hardly. I have said all along that if there is evidence of wrongdoing that warrants an investigation then that should be done.
What I have commented on is that I have not seen or heard of one shred of evidence that warrants an investigation on the scale some are calling for.
In a tight result like Georgia the standard process is to do a recount and the examples that are being used of irregularities are ones that have been picked up as part of the standard process.
To try and draw a straight line from anecdotal evidence to a widespread systematic fraud is nutcase stuff.
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So what if they find tampering or fraud?
I can only assume it is equally as like for both sides to commit it, and likely just rogue people or groups as opposed to systematic fraud from people high up in Dems or Republicans, so if they find it in both sides, what then?
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If the democrats are rigging this election they are doing a piss poor job of it.
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@Siam said in US Politics:
I just think it's fair to investigate on the same grounds as last time. And like last time, do the investigation and then everyone gets on with things.
An important principle here is what's acceptable for one side is also acceptable for the other.
This is 100% correct. It's entirely appropriate (and indeed necessary) to investigate these claims, and the appropriate place to do that is in the courts.
It seems the vast majority of commentators on either side have already decided what has happened. Biden supporters have ridiculed the claims of fraud, and are poised to pop their champagne corks. Trump supporters are convinced there has been fraud, despite the evidence of that (at this point in time) being pretty thin.
Like Russia-gate, the investigation will yield an outcome but the losing side won't accept it and will just continue to believe whatever set of 'facts' they wish. No one side is clean on this.
I think if Trump had just dialled it down a touch in the last few days then there might be a few more that are sympathetic to his claims. But his behaviour I think has turned off a lot of people in the broad middle of the spectrum, or at least it has for me.
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@taniwharugby said in US Politics:
So what if they find tampering or fraud?
I can only assume it is equally as like for both sides to commit it, and likely just rogue people or groups as opposed to systematic fraud from people high up in Dems or Republicans, so if they find it in both sides, what then?
It's like the Americas cup, you just go to court if you lose.
Actually a good question, but I doubt that they will find anything from either party that is solid proof of tampering.
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@barbarian Agreed. I think the most relevant aspect of an investigation is to give the people of America some closure.
There's way more Photo Fox's than there are extremists making up 1% . The people need a demonstration of confidence in their systems.Personally I hope that Biden's presidency is ratified to the satisfaction of the populace and everyone can get on with it - not that my hopes are in any way meaningful.
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@Snowy said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
“Non-zero”! Do these folk have no shame?
Rhetorical? They don't.
"Non zero" made me laugh though. Might as well have said "well it wasn't seven".
It's very Monty Python and the Holy Grail re: Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.
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@Duluth said in US Politics:
Just reminder about the rules. The rules are more strict in here because at several times over the years it became a cesspool in here
Most of these were added when some pro Trump people were spamming and/or acting like dicks
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/1737/politics-sub-forumThere's been a crazy amount of playing the man not the ball which has been deleted. That shit is toxic and makes the whole forum unpleasant.
Or get a temp ban from the politics forum for refusing to listen..
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@Siam said in US Politics:
@NTA if we're going to focus on one sentence from one person, what do we do with this?:
Biden said "...we have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics."
I'd say it isn't as funny as "Non-zero".
One looks like a slip of the tongue in a larger discussion around voting, and clearly not Biden's intent.
"Non-zero" looks like a complete lack of research in a hastily-assembled case. Hardly professional.
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@mariner4life said in US Politics:
If the democrats are rigging this election they are doing a piss poor job of it.
Can't rig it too clean or people will get suspicious. Suspiciouser?
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@Siam said in US Politics:
@NTA yeah mate, I agree. in the hierachy of "evidence" soundbites and single sentences are very low in importance, but definitely amusing
It did take me back to lectures in Calculus 25 years ago when discussion unreal numbers: "As x approaches zero the likelihood of y being non-zero... " etc.
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