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@MajorRage I’ve been a fan too, as much as I am able with a polly. She gets a pass from me too for how she screws with the leftie ideology. The thing that irks me here though is that the agreed due process has been gone through only for Boris to ignore it. This despite the resignation of two senior people.
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@PecoTrain said in British Politics:
Priti Patel broke the the Ministerial Code which says "ministers should be professional in their working relationships with the civil service and treat all those with whom they come into contact with consideration and respect."
The question is whether the reported shouting and swearing during a discussion on both sides amounted to bullying while acknowledging the Home Office leadership's lack of responsiveness - without knowing more details of what happened I suspect a fair opinion will be difficult to decide as neither side is completely innocent.
Having dealt with the Home Office for both personal and professional matters, I can understand that there maybe frustrations at the Home Offices ideas of work or acceptable time frames. i.e. for professional matters, the time frames are likely to involve months instead of days for "simple" requests and years for "small" projects. Large projects will take decades or careers.
That is what the report has concluded. She broke the code. A breach of the agreed, self imposed standards. That is the accepted “fair opinion”. As I mentioned before, this has been deemed serious enough for two high level resignations. Not to be taken lightly.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@PecoTrain said in British Politics:
Priti Patel broke the the Ministerial Code which says "ministers should be professional in their working relationships with the civil service and treat all those with whom they come into contact with consideration and respect."
The question is whether the reported shouting and swearing during a discussion on both sides amounted to bullying while acknowledging the Home Office leadership's lack of responsiveness - without knowing more details of what happened I suspect a fair opinion will be difficult to decide as neither side is completely innocent.
Having dealt with the Home Office for both personal and professional matters, I can understand that there maybe frustrations at the Home Offices ideas of work or acceptable time frames. i.e. for professional matters, the time frames are likely to involve months instead of days for "simple" requests and years for "small" projects. Large projects will take decades or careers.
That is what the report has concluded. She broke the code. A breach of the agreed, self imposed standards. That is the accepted “fair opinion”. As I mentioned before, this has been deemed serious enough for two high level resignations. Not to be taken lightly.
That said, what is the procedure for dealing with wilfully obstructive officials?
The Home Office has been breathtakingly incompetent for last decade, so I'd be prepared to give her benefit of doubt.
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@pakman said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@PecoTrain said in British Politics:
Priti Patel broke the the Ministerial Code which says "ministers should be professional in their working relationships with the civil service and treat all those with whom they come into contact with consideration and respect."
The question is whether the reported shouting and swearing during a discussion on both sides amounted to bullying while acknowledging the Home Office leadership's lack of responsiveness - without knowing more details of what happened I suspect a fair opinion will be difficult to decide as neither side is completely innocent.
Having dealt with the Home Office for both personal and professional matters, I can understand that there maybe frustrations at the Home Offices ideas of work or acceptable time frames. i.e. for professional matters, the time frames are likely to involve months instead of days for "simple" requests and years for "small" projects. Large projects will take decades or careers.
That is what the report has concluded. She broke the code. A breach of the agreed, self imposed standards. That is the accepted “fair opinion”. As I mentioned before, this has been deemed serious enough for two high level resignations. Not to be taken lightly.
That said, what is the procedure for dealing with wilfully obstructive officials?
The Home Office has been breathtakingly incompetent for last decade, so I'd be prepared to give her benefit of doubt.
Agreed, but a different argument.
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A colleague of mine decided to wind me up and sent me St Owens' latest column. All about the pay freeze for govt sectors.
It blows my mind that a paper allows such utter crap to be published. Real-Terms pay cuts?? Seriously? I am a London landlord, and rents are dropping like crazy. 25% on average. Cash financing is the cheapest it's ever been at a bees dick above zero.
Given unemployment in private sector, and companies basically burning through cash like anything to stay afloat, I have zero idea how the hell he could say it's a pay cut. I think if you offered all private sector works 3 year at current pay, but no redundancy .. a huge proportion would take it.
The guy really is a fucking idiot.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/20/public-sector-pay-freeze-johnson-cuts
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
That is what the report has concluded. She broke the code. A breach of the agreed, self imposed standards. That is the accepted “fair opinion”. As I mentioned before, this has been deemed serious enough for two high level resignations. Not to be taken lightly.
I suspect the Prime Minister is prepared to risk trial by media with this - on one hand you have the Home Office who have a long list of public failures where they have embarrassed the sitting Home Secretary over the last 20+ years across Labour and Tory governments and on the other hand you have a Secretary of State that apparently yelled and swore at senior figures after they repeatedly failed to carry out requests.
As for the resignations, Sir Philip Rutnam gets his day in court regardless of this report and Sir Alex Allan resigned because his report was ignored - if the government chooses to fight this, I can't see them losing public support based on the current details. Maybe resignations is the best way of getting rid of the dead wood?
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I'm more than happy to support a Minister who takes obvious umbrage at the lazy incompetence of public servants. What a misnomer.
Given some of the meetings I've been in, I'd probably give them an alibi if they beat them to death.
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@Bones said in British Politics:
Is it too much to ask for a government minister that doesn't stutter and stammer constantly while speaking?
Any particular interview you are referring to?
This current bunch certainly aren't the best off the cuff speakers / interviewees that have ever existed.
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@pakman said in British Politics:
@Bones said in British Politics:
Is it too much to ask for a government minister that doesn't stutter and stammer constantly while speaking?
I really don’t Keir.
You can just NO.
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I was heavily involved with HS2/Community interaction and met one of the Permanent Secretaries she is said to have upset on 2-3 occasions. The bloke was arrogant. patronising and utterly incompetent. He really didn't give a stuff about assisting the public and even refused to speak to our local MP who was in the same room with us.
I'm dead against bullying, but I'm glad Priti Patel gave him an earful.
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@PecoTrain said in British Politics:
As for the resignations, Sir Philip Rutnam gets his day in court regardless of this report
I hope all the multi-billion £ fuck-ups he was responsible for get well and truly aired in public.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
It blows my mind that a paper allows such utter crap to be published.
The Guardian is as a crap as the Daily Express - just has bigger words.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
It blows my mind that a paper allows such utter crap to be published.
The Guardian is as a crap as the Daily Express - just has bigger words.
The Express can spell its words though.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@PecoTrain said in British Politics:
As for the resignations, Sir Philip Rutnam gets his day in court regardless of this report
I hope all the multi-billion £ fuck-ups he was responsible for get well and truly aired in public.
Rutman's statement on report's findings: 'Enormous efforts were made from top to bottom in the Home Office to support the new Home Secretary and respond to her direction, and significant achievements have resulted.'
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@pakman said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@PecoTrain said in British Politics:
As for the resignations, Sir Philip Rutnam gets his day in court regardless of this report
I hope all the multi-billion £ fuck-ups he was responsible for get well and truly aired in public.
Rutman's statement on report's findings: 'Enormous efforts were made from top to bottom in the Home Office to support the new Home Secretary and respond to her direction, and significant achievements have resulted.'
Just not in any measurable form...
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