Coronavirus - Overall
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@rapido I just caught an an analysis on the radio into the research into the link between obesity and COVID mortality To precis - lies, damned lies and statistics.
Apparently the research only broke the populations they looked at into two groups - countries with over 50% of the popn classed as overweight and with high mortality per population size and countries with very low obesity rates.
I'm sure you can all see where this is going straight away.
the statistician doing the analysis made it very clear that obesity increases your chance of dying from Covid but he made the point that it has no impact on your chances of catching covid. He also pointed out that all the countries that fell into the second group looked at i.e. the thin countries also have very young populations and it is age that is the main risk factor with covid. The research also ignored countries with high obesity but low mortality rates like Oz and NZ (talk about doctoring the figures).
By drilling into the backgrounds of people who have died from COvid it is apparently possible to measure the impact of obesity in age terms.
So an obese 30 year old who catches Covid will have the same risk of dying as a 47 year old in the 'normal' weigh range. Which is pretty dramatic but still only puts you at a slightly elevated risk. Plus teh risk corelation declines as you get older. A 55 yr old obese person carries the same risk as a normal 62 year old and a 70 year old obes a 74 year old normal person.
So despite being in the news everywhere the report is a crock of shit.
While being obese is a risk factor and is bad for your health in all sort of ways, with Covid, age is the big risk factor and the report is incredibly slanted in the way that it chooses the groups for comparison
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@rapido I just caught an an analysis on the radio into the research into the link between obesity and COVID mortality To precis - lies, damned lies and statistics.
Apparently the research only broke the populations they looked at into two groups - countries with over 50% of the popn classed as overweight and with high mortality per population size and countries with very low obesity rates.
I'm sure you can all see where this is going straight away.
the statistician doing the analysis made it very clear that obesity increases your chance of dying from Covid but he made the point that it has no impact on your chances of catching covid. He also pointed out that all the countries that fell into the second group looked at i.e. the thin countries also have very young populations and it is age that is the main risk factor with covid. The research also ignored countries with high obesity but low mortality rates like Oz and NZ (talk about doctoring the figures).
By drilling into the backgrounds of people who have died from COvid it is apparently possible to measure the impact of obesity in age terms.
So an obese 30 year old who catches Covid will have the same risk of dying as a 47 year old in the 'normal' weigh range. Which is pretty dramatic but still only puts you at a slightly elevated risk. Plus teh risk corelation declines as you get older. A 55 yr old obese person carries the same risk as a normal 62 year old and a 70 year old obes a 74 year old normal person.
So despite being in the news everywhere the report is a crock of shit.
While being obese is a risk factor and is bad for your health in all sort of ways, with Covid, age is the big risk factor and the report is incredibly slanted in the way that it chooses the groups for comparison
Conversely, I know people over the age of 70 who are not obese who have contracted COVID and lived but that number is far exceeded by people under the age of 70 who are obese who have died.
So a small sample, but perhaps it's not as clear cut as just age.
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@mikethesnow Apologies if I didn't make it clear. The report I heard made the point that being obese is far more likely to result in a bad outcome but was pretty dismissive of the research done in the much published article from last week.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@rapido I just caught an an analysis on the radio into the research into the link between obesity and COVID mortality To precis - lies, damned lies and statistics.
Apparently the research only broke the populations they looked at into two groups - countries with over 50% of the popn classed as overweight and with high mortality per population size and countries with very low obesity rates.
I'm sure you can all see where this is going straight away.
the statistician doing the analysis made it very clear that obesity increases your chance of dying from Covid but he made the point that it has no impact on your chances of catching covid. He also pointed out that all the countries that fell into the second group looked at i.e. the thin countries also have very young populations and it is age that is the main risk factor with covid. The research also ignored countries with high obesity but low mortality rates like Oz and NZ (talk about doctoring the figures).
By drilling into the backgrounds of people who have died from COvid it is apparently possible to measure the impact of obesity in age terms.
So an obese 30 year old who catches Covid will have the same risk of dying as a 47 year old in the 'normal' weigh range. Which is pretty dramatic but still only puts you at a slightly elevated risk. Plus teh risk corelation declines as you get older. A 55 yr old obese person carries the same risk as a normal 62 year old and a 70 year old obes a 74 year old normal person.
So despite being in the news everywhere the report is a crock of shit.
While being obese is a risk factor and is bad for your health in all sort of ways, with Covid, age is the big risk factor and the report is incredibly slanted in the way that it chooses the groups for comparison
The biggest problem the author has made here is to just talk about deaths. Obviously, this is the worst outcome and a natural statistic to use. But a more valid comparison would be talk about those who need to go to hospital, icu and also deaths.
People seem dismissive of all the others things which I've always found rather mind-blowing. Going to hospital is shit at the best of times, but its considerably worse in the middle of a pandemic where the resources are strained, you can't see your friends/family real pain, suffering and deaths are all around you.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@rapido I just caught an an analysis on the radio into the research into the link between obesity and COVID mortality To precis - lies, damned lies and statistics.
Apparently the research only broke the populations they looked at into two groups - countries with over 50% of the popn classed as overweight and with high mortality per population size and countries with very low obesity rates.
I'm sure you can all see where this is going straight away.
the statistician doing the analysis made it very clear that obesity increases your chance of dying from Covid but he made the point that it has no impact on your chances of catching covid. He also pointed out that all the countries that fell into the second group looked at i.e. the thin countries also have very young populations and it is age that is the main risk factor with covid. The research also ignored countries with high obesity but low mortality rates like Oz and NZ (talk about doctoring the figures).
By drilling into the backgrounds of people who have died from COvid it is apparently possible to measure the impact of obesity in age terms.
So an obese 30 year old who catches Covid will have the same risk of dying as a 47 year old in the 'normal' weigh range. Which is pretty dramatic but still only puts you at a slightly elevated risk. Plus teh risk corelation declines as you get older. A 55 yr old obese person carries the same risk as a normal 62 year old and a 70 year old obes a 74 year old normal person.
So despite being in the news everywhere the report is a crock of shit.
While being obese is a risk factor and is bad for your health in all sort of ways, with Covid, age is the big risk factor and the report is incredibly slanted in the way that it chooses the groups for comparison
The biggest problem the author has made here is to just talk about deaths. Obviously, this is the worst outcome and a natural statistic to use. But a more valid comparison would be talk about those who need to go to hospital, icu and also deaths.
People seem dismissive of all the others things which I've always found rather mind-blowing. Going to hospital is shit at the best of times, but its considerably worse in the middle of a pandemic where the resources are strained, you can't see your friends/family real pain, suffering and deaths are all around you.
In UK 40% of deaths from catching Covid IN hospital!!!
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@rapido I just caught an an analysis on the radio into the research into the link between obesity and COVID mortality To precis - lies, damned lies and statistics.
Apparently the research only broke the populations they looked at into two groups - countries with over 50% of the popn classed as overweight and with high mortality per population size and countries with very low obesity rates.
I'm sure you can all see where this is going straight away.
the statistician doing the analysis made it very clear that obesity increases your chance of dying from Covid but he made the point that it has no impact on your chances of catching covid. He also pointed out that all the countries that fell into the second group looked at i.e. the thin countries also have very young populations and it is age that is the main risk factor with covid. The research also ignored countries with high obesity but low mortality rates like Oz and NZ (talk about doctoring the figures).
By drilling into the backgrounds of people who have died from COvid it is apparently possible to measure the impact of obesity in age terms.
So an obese 30 year old who catches Covid will have the same risk of dying as a 47 year old in the 'normal' weigh range. Which is pretty dramatic but still only puts you at a slightly elevated risk. Plus teh risk corelation declines as you get older. A 55 yr old obese person carries the same risk as a normal 62 year old and a 70 year old obes a 74 year old normal person.
So despite being in the news everywhere the report is a crock of shit.
While being obese is a risk factor and is bad for your health in all sort of ways, with Covid, age is the big risk factor and the report is incredibly slanted in the way that it chooses the groups for comparison
The biggest problem the author has made here is to just talk about deaths. Obviously, this is the worst outcome and a natural statistic to use. But a more valid comparison would be talk about those who need to go to hospital, icu and also deaths.
People seem dismissive of all the others things which I've always found rather mind-blowing. Going to hospital is shit at the best of times, but its considerably worse in the middle of a pandemic where the resources are strained, you can't see your friends/family real pain, suffering and deaths are all around you.
In UK 40% of deaths from catching Covid IN hospital!!!
Rule 101. Avoid hospitals, they are ALWAYS full of sick people.
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Rule 101. Avoid hospitals, they are ALWAYS full of sick people.
Absolutely right. BiL is a retired surgeon. Always tried to get his patients out of the hospital ASAP.
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@catogrande what about at home. Do you realise how many people die at home!!
Much better off at the pub. Statistically very few die at the boozer.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@catogrande what about at home. Do you realise how many people die at home!!
Much better off at the pub. Statistically very few die at the boozer.
That’s my kind of logic. In keeping with that I saw a stat that 74% of fatal accidents occur within 200 metres of home. I moved as soon as possible.
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@catogrande what about at home. Do you realise how many people die at home!!
Much better off at the pub. Statistically very few die at the boozer.
That’s my kind of logic. In keeping with that I saw a stat that 74% of fatal accidents occur within 200 metres of home. I moved as soon as possible.
Bloody hell, I'd move too. There must be bodies littered all over the place outside yours.
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@catogrande what about at home. Do you realise how many people die at home!!
Much better off at the pub. Statistically very few die at the boozer.
That’s my kind of logic. In keeping with that I saw a stat that 74% of fatal accidents occur within 200 metres of home. I moved as soon as possible.
boom tish!
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@catogrande what about at home. Do you realise how many people die at home!!
Much better off at the pub. Statistically very few die at the boozer.
That’s my kind of logic. In keeping with that I saw a stat that 74% of fatal accidents occur within 200 metres of home. I moved as soon as possible.
Bloody hell, I'd move too. There must be bodies littered all over the place outside yours.
He could at least keep them in the cellar.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@catogrande what about at home. Do you realise how many people die at home!!
Much better off at the pub. Statistically very few die at the boozer.
That’s my kind of logic. In keeping with that I saw a stat that 74% of fatal accidents occur within 200 metres of home. I moved as soon as possible.
Bloody hell, I'd move too. There must be bodies littered all over the place outside yours.
He could at least keep them in the cellar.
You can get overkill. Capacity issues.
Anyway these are "accidents" where's the fun in that?
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@catogrande what about at home. Do you realise how many people die at home!!
Much better off at the pub. Statistically very few die at the boozer.
Bit like the actuarial joke about always carrying a bomb with you when flying.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@catogrande what about at home. Do you realise how many people die at home!!
Much better off at the pub. Statistically very few die at the boozer.
Bit like the actuarial joke about always carrying a bomb with you when flying.
Actuarial and joke in the same sentence, tough one to achieve. I used to work with a few actuaries and I suspect that they would have been serious about the bomb thing, not a joke at all.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@catogrande what about at home. Do you realise how many people die at home!!
Much better off at the pub. Statistically very few die at the boozer.
Bit like the actuarial joke about always carrying a bomb with you when flying.
Actuarial and joke in the same sentence, tough one to achieve. I used to work with a few actuaries and I suspect that they would have been serious about the bomb thing, not a joke at all.
The only actuarial joke I know is directed at them.
An actuary is an accountant that couldn’t handle the excitement.