Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
My mate was telling me the vaccination super centre in Auckland has a capacity of 150 people per day? Surely that's not right?
Meanwhile the UK vaccinate 8 people per second!
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It would be madness to open a travel bubble at this point in time when fully vaccinated isn't that far away. Surely you'd have to expect it to close again within a couple of months.
I dont get that. We have 2 countries who have effective elimination. While both their borders stay shut to everyone else, why wouldn't you allow travel between the 2?
What you have to manage, is when you eventually open your borders to the rest of the world, and coordinate that in some way. Shouldn't be a show stopper.
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@voodoo All the above is true, but it's not quite my point. There have been small outbreaks in both countries, and these will continue. What happens to the travel bubble then? My guess it immediately shuts and people on the other side of the ditch are stuck.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo All the above is true, but it's not quite my point. There have been small outbreaks in both countries, and these will continue. What happens to the travel bubble then? My guess it immediately shuts and people on the other side of the ditch are stuck.
Yeah, I think Cindy made that clear today, it's caveat emptor for the traveller, expect a potential 3 day hit if we see an outbreak.
Personally I'd take that risk over a known 14 day hotel Q at the outset. That said, I also have the luxury of passports, which I know many don't
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
according to the online tool
You referring to a specific poster, or all of us?
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo All the above is true, but it's not quite my point. There have been small outbreaks in both countries, and these will continue. What happens to the travel bubble then? My guess it immediately shuts and people on the other side of the ditch are stuck.
This will discourage many from travelling for a while. Not everyone will want to run the risk of being locked out
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo All the above is true, but it's not quite my point. There have been small outbreaks in both countries, and these will continue. What happens to the travel bubble then? My guess it immediately shuts and people on the other side of the ditch are stuck.
This will discourage many from travelling for a while. Not everyone will want to run the risk of being locked out
spot on.
But a number of folk will take the chance - and it's up to them to consider travelling or not. Lockdowns should reduce as the vaccine rolls out
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo All the above is true, but it's not quite my point. There have been small outbreaks in both countries, and these will continue. What happens to the travel bubble then? My guess it immediately shuts and people on the other side of the ditch are stuck.
This will discourage many from travelling for a while. Not everyone will want to run the risk of being locked out
Insurance won't cover accommodation or amended flights in that situation either. It will become very expensive.
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@bovidae said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo All the above is true, but it's not quite my point. There have been small outbreaks in both countries, and these will continue. What happens to the travel bubble then? My guess it immediately shuts and people on the other side of the ditch are stuck.
This will discourage many from travelling for a while. Not everyone will want to run the risk of being locked out
Insurance won't cover accommodation or amended flights in that situation either. It will become very expensive.
Not to mention work absence. I'm not sure employers will be very happy to suffer losing staff because they got stuck abroad on holiday
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It would be madness to open a travel bubble at this point in time when fully vaccinated isn't that far away. Surely you'd have to expect it to close again within a couple of months.
At the speed we are moving here, full vaccination is still 12 months off
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Anecdotes suggest they are starting to get it together here. However the hoops you need to jump through to become a vaccine administrator are apparently many. I don't really why they can't speed that up. Lots of people know how to give jabs. Train them to handle the vaccine, then train others to monitor all the patients post jab.
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@taniwharugby late May - thanks to hypertension.
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Re: the 150 people vaccinated a day 'thing'.
Some more up to date numbers in an article today.
To date, 90 per cent of border workers have been vaccinated, according to Hipkins.
Hipkins said the ministry was working to reach a point where unvaccinated people would not be in high risk border roles, however, we are “not quite there yet”.
He said at the moment, the daily average of people vaccinated was in the low 2000s, but he expected the number to trend upwards.
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Getting some interesting views and insights from my son and his partner who have just entered MIQ (returning from UK).
They are amazed and impressed with the organisation and detail they are experiencing. They are getting clear communication and expectations and everything is being backed up and supported with actions.
No wonder there is often confusion shown by authorities when something unusual happens as they know the procedures in place and it would be a puzzle to solve.
An example is when they went for their day 1 tests. Room phoned with 5 minutes notice. Knock on door. Escorted (at distance) to lift that was cleaned and locked just for them).Radio ahead to escort on receiving floor.. Put in lift and released. Received by next person and escorted to nurses room.Then reverse process back to room.
Even on arrival at the airport my son commented that the contrast to Heathrow in regard to taking Covid seriously was huge.
Have also been talking to some of those involved in running the facilities and it is more and more apparent that the tweaking of procedures and rules is 'continuous improvement' not because of slack design to start with but unforeseen stupidity and behaviour from the public.
If you play along everything is good but there is a constant stream of idiots trying their best to either break the system or think that it shouldn't apply to them.
Foe example they had a wristband colour system that designated your risk level so that someone high risk was kept away from doing something that others of low risk could do (eg the bussing to excercise). Idiots worked out that by 'losing' their armband they weren't being stopped. They have had to reverse that idea and make it the no armband equals high risk. -
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Getting some interesting views and insights from my son and his partner who have just entered MIQ (returning from UK).
They are amazed and impressed with the organisation and detail they are experiencing. They are getting clear communication and expectations and everything is being backed up and supported with actions.
No wonder there is often confusion shown by authorities when something unusual happens as they know the procedures in place and it would be a puzzle to solve.
An example is when they went for their day 1 tests. Room phoned with 5 minutes notice. Knock on door. Escorted (at distance) to lift that was cleaned and locked just for them).Radio ahead to escort on receiving floor.. Put in lift and released. Received by next person and escorted to nurses room.Then reverse process back to room.
Even on arrival at the airport my son commented that the contrast to Heathrow in regard to taking Covid seriously was huge.
Have also been talking to some of those involved in running the facilities and it is more and more apparent that the tweaking of procedures and rules is 'continuous improvement' not because of slack design to start with but unforeseen stupidity and behaviour from the public.
If you play along everything is good but there is a constant stream of idiots trying their best to either break the system or think that it shouldn't apply to them.
Foe example they had a wristband colour system that designated your risk level so that someone high risk was kept away from doing something that others of low risk could do (eg the bussing to excercise). Idiots worked out that by 'losing' their armband they weren't being stopped. They have had to reverse that idea and make it the no armband equals high risk.This still feels odd to me, I really don't know why people are being moved around like that. Contrast to Oz where the nurses show up to your door with a trolley, and only the 1 nurse administering thew test comes within 6 feet of you. You don't leave your room, it's all done in the doorway. Why would you involve more people and have people using lifts etc? At the very least it seems to create more work for people, take longer , create extra admin etc - locking and sanitising lifts every time? Bussing to exercise? Seems like madness.
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@crucial sounds like a prison to me.
Not necessarily a negative.
Although the fact you compare the taking it seriously to the UK is kind of like the sky is blue isn’t it ...
I’ve accepted I won’t be back in NZ for at least 5 years and each day reduces the chance of even seeing my parents agsin reduces. The price that must be paid.
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@voodoo Bussing to exercise is only for CBD hotels that don't have on site exercise options
@Crucial 's sons experience mirrors my brothers back in late Jan. He was similarly impressed.
The difference from Australia is we don't lock people in their rooms for the 14 days so having made the decision to allow movement I guess it makes sense to adopt te approach outlined.
Personally given front line staff are now all vaccinated and how few times COVID has jumped the border, I am reasonably happy with NZ adopting a less draconian regime than Oz.