Coronavirus - UK
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@mikethesnow Being really crap at quarantine and securing the borders has been the UK government's biggest failure in 2021.
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@sparky said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow Being really crap at quarantine and securing the borders has been the UK government's biggest failure in 2021.
Leaky Borders
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@sparky said in Coronavirus - UK:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - UK:
I haven't read this thread much cos too much Covid news etc, but the 10k per day sparked my interest. How is the NHS coping these days, is there concern or are the 10k mostly mild symptoms and a bit of a misnomer?
1316 patients in hospital, 210 on ventilators. Nothing like it was peak but rising a bit in the last fortnight. Some good data below.
There is no case at all that I can see for the UK government tightening restrictions, but I think it is prudent to delay the easing of restrictions while serious cases are going up. Once they flatten or go again then HMG should ease restrictions almost immediately.
I agree with this point. As much as it sucks balls not to be unleashed tomorrow, much worse would be a relaxation followed by another lockdown. I don’t think Boris could make that one fly.
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Piss boiled and it’s not even 9am
FFS
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@mikethesnow Is that news or just a factual account of somebody's day?
She's right though. It's disgraceful that her considerations weren't taken into account when working out the logistics of vaccinating 70 million people. Twice. Disgraceful lack of government support.
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@mikethesnow Just noticed the best part. It took two people to write that story.
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@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
Incredible state of affairs really. Voluntarily infecting myself with a virus just to travel
Ahh, that's not unusual.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
Incredible state of affairs really. Voluntarily infecting myself with a virus just to travel
Ahh, that's not unusual.
Yes it is. There are suggestions for vaccine compliance to travel interstate.
Also the emphasis is on the social reasons for vaccinations far outweighing the health ones - a common phenomenonon this board alone. My quote comes in response to a poster who already had covid and now was vaccinated to aid travel.
There's a context at play here.
But maybe I've missed something. Before covid, exactly what travel was banned without an appropriate vaccination? And how widespread was that restriction of travel due to being unvaccinated?
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@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
Incredible state of affairs really. Voluntarily infecting myself with a virus just to travel
Ahh, that's not unusual.
Yes it is. There are suggestions for vaccine compliance to travel interstate.
Also the emphasis is on the social reasons for vaccinations far outweighing the health ones - a common phenomenonon this board alone. My quote comes in response to a poster who already had covid and now was vaccinated to aid travel.
There's a context at play here.
But maybe I've missed something. Before covid, exactly what travel was banned without an appropriate vaccination? And how widespread was that restriction of travel due to being unvaccinated?
The one question that you've missed off there though is how widespread and infectious are the other diseases or viruses that such vaccines apply to.
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@catogrande sure mate, but I was replying to "that's not unusual "
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow Is that news or just a factual account of somebody's day?
She's right though. It's disgraceful that her considerations weren't taken into account when working out the logistics of vaccinating 70 million people. Twice. Disgraceful lack of government support.
First world problems
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@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
Incredible state of affairs really. Voluntarily infecting myself with a virus just to travel
Ahh, that's not unusual.
Yes it is. There are suggestions for vaccine compliance to travel interstate.
I'm not talking about domestic. Examples like yellow fever and meningococcal.
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@antipodean yes, and I'm talking about people with natural immunity to a coronavirus taking a vaccine for non health related reasons.
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@sparky said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow Being really crap at quarantine and securing the borders has been the UK government's biggest failure in 2021.
Leaky Borders
Since March 2020But closing the borders to people who might be infected would have been racist or anti-EU
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@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
@catogrande sure mate, but I was replying to "that's not unusual "
This vaccine is 6 months oldInteresting discussion on Radio 4 this AM on planning booster jabs in Q4 of this year.
Work underway on possibility of combining seasonal Flu jabs with updated vaccines to combat new variants.
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@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
@catogrande sure mate, but I was replying to "that's not unusual "
This vaccine is 6 months oldInteresting discussion on Radio 4 this AM on planning booster jabs in Q4 of this year.
Work underway on possibility of combining seasonal Flu jabs with updated vaccines to combat new variants.
Waste of money surely since flu has been eradicated in the UK?
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Waste of money surely since flu has been eradicated in the UK?
Flu kills about 20-25k people per year apparently, which is why we have the flu jab for oldies I guess. The flu vaccine changes every year as the flu virus mutates.
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@victor-meldrew any push bach on the long term testing ( or lack there of) of these vaccines?
Just asking about the discussion, not insinuating.
I know it's an emergency situation but historical 2 year minimum testing protocols have been discarded for covid vaccines. First time since protocols were updated because of thalidomide.
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@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Waste of money surely since flu has been eradicated in the UK?
Flu kills about 20-25k people per year apparently, which is why we have the flu jab for oldies I guess. The flu vaccine changes every year as the flu virus mutates.
With no flu in the southern hemisphere last winter, NZ had excess deaths of negative 1500 apporx. So 1500 extra lives.
UK has 67m, NZ 5 m. So multiply 1500 by 13.4 = 20,100.
Bang on.
As an aside, no flu this winter either in SH probably. We (NZ) are going to get an excess death 'bump' of 3k approx next year when borders (scheduled to) re-open regardless of covid.