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Getting away from Wingers usual insanity and back to the sugar article I had to go to hospital today and it was an eye opener to see the huge people in the part I was in . The doctor was pretty honest about what it's like have a conveyer of fat people with heart problems and diabetes .
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I'm watching a piece on fighting fat on Sunday right now. The constant bombardment of junk food advertising is definitely a contributing factor to increasing obesity rates, with many of the adverts directly aimed at kids 12 and under.<br><br>
A sugar tax is only a small part of the equation in all of this. The government saying "show me the evidence that a sugar tax decreases obesity" is too simplistic. It would help. But overall there needs to be a big cultural shift just like there has been with smoking where eating junk food is looked upon as, well, disgusting. Sugar tax, advertising campaigns, shock tactics like the pictures you see on cigarette packs, education programs in schools - there needs to be a full pronged attack on obesity led by the Government.<br><br>
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I watched that too, we were talking about how hard it is to lose weight through exercise and those women talked about going to the gym for four years with no results.<br><br>
You're right the advertising etc is pervasive , I see the that company that makes Dolmio came out this week and said to eat their sauces no more than once a week . I think the pressure in the bigger overseas markets is starting to show .<br>
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<p>you can buy a 2L of full sugar Pepsi for $1.79, Coke for $2.29 or the store brands for even less (when not on special)...how much tax do you need to add onto them before it will actually make a difference?</p>
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<p>My guess is the sugar tax they are talking is maybe, 30-50%, so the 2L coke now costs $3.45, how many is that really going to stop buying, or will they then buy Pepsi for $2.69 or home brand for $1.99 or something?</p>
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<p>Will sugar taxes impact the Zero/Max versions of Coke/Pepsi...?</p>
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I think that's the real issue, someone mentioned before on another thread these companies are big enough to wear taxes too. The younger guys I work with think nothing of paying the same price as a 1.25 litre of Coke if not more for one of those god awful mother energy drinks.
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<p>I think that's the real issue, someone mentioned before on another thread these companies are big enough to wear taxes too. The younger guys I work with think nothing of paying the same price as a 1.25 litre of Coke if not more for one of those god awful mother energy drinks.</p>
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<p>There is no single answer, improvement will only come from a multifaceted approach. Education of new parents and of young kids is important in order to try and set dietary habits early. A sugar tax is fine, but it won't fix the problem, and the money raised from that tax must be spent in a way that helps the cause too. If we're talking obesity will there be a fatty food tax too?</p> -
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There is no single answer, improvement will only come from a multifaceted approach. Education of new parents and of young kids is important in order to try and set dietary habits early. A sugar tax is fine, but it won't fix the problem, and the money raised from that tax must be spent in a way that helps the cause too. If we're talking obesity will there be a fatty food tax too?</p></blockquote>
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Agree education is probably going to be the answer , not sure a tax is going to be the answer. The tobacco tax is very high , I think the levels the uk has set it at probably aren't a huge deterrent . <br><br>
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Imho a sugar tax is just a symbolic measure that has the added benefit to the gov of raising heaps of money. Adding an extra buck here and there won't do shit.<br><br>
What is terrifying is how little people actually know about nutrition. My son's friend was over and proudly stated that he didn't drink Coke and preferred Powerade. Powerade ffs! You get people gorging a meatball footlong from Subway and a massive smoothy who genuinely think they're eating healthy. I don't know what the answer is. What I do know is that it's a little unfair if I have to pay through the arse for the occasional treat because others can't help themselves. -
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<p>I'm watching a piece on fighting fat on Sunday right now. The constant bombardment of junk food advertising is definitely a contributing factor to increasing obesity rates, with many of he adverts directly aimed at kids 12 and under.<br><br>
A sugar tax is only a small part of the equation in all of this. The government saying "show me the evidence that a sugar tax decreases obesity" is too simplistic. It would help. But overall there needs to be a big cultural shift just like there has been with smoking where eating junk food is looked upon as, well, disgusting. Sugar tax, advertising campaigns, shock tactics like the pictures you see on cigarette packs, education programs in schools - <strong>there needs to be a full pronged attack on obesity led by the Government.</strong><br><br>
There absolutely needs to be personal responsibility as you can't force people to change at the end of the day, but there also needs to be some collective responsibility to try and address this problem.</p>
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<p>I'm betting that if they try the reaction will be an avalanche of offence taken by people who don't want to be judged for their size. Unfortunately there's very little political mileage in telling people that their choices are killing themselves and their kids so a Labour Party well behind in the polls isn't likely to do it and they'd put all the blame the manufacturers and retailers instead. National on the other hand, given the evidence of the organised opposition to a new flag based solely on Key's involvement, might expect to be attacked from the left regardless of principle, so I wouldn't hold my breath for them to do it either.</p>
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<p>Imho a sugar tax is just a symbolic measure that has the added benefit to the gov of raising heaps of money. Adding an extra buck here and there won't do shit.<br><br>
What is terrifying is how little people actually know about nutrition. My son's friend was over and proudly stated that he didn't drink Coke and preferred Powerade. Powerade ffs! <strong>You get people gorging a meatball footlong from Subway and a massive smoothy who genuinely think they're eating healthy</strong>. I don't know what the answer is. What I do know is that it's a little unfair if I have to pay through the arse for the occasional treat because others can't help themselves.</p>
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<p>Some years ago at work we had one guy who was young, engaging and clever but who had managed to work himself up to 180kgs. Several times a week for lunch he'd walk across the road to the Bishopsgate KFC and get himself a bucket of chicken. And a Diet Coke.</p>
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<p>Winger must have typed out this exact post 100 times now in response to people completely exposing his "theories".<br><br>
I am in favour of a good robust debate and happy to hear other peoples POV but this is just tiresome bullshit that I don't really want to keep reading over and over and over. It adds nothing to the debate and detracts from otherwise good threads.</p>
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<p> You get people gorging a meatball footlong from Subway and a massive smoothy who genuinely think they're eating healthy. I don't know what the answer is. What I do know is that it's a little unfair if I have to pay through the arse for the occasional treat because others can't help themselves.</p>
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<p>Agreed. It's like the proposed minimum alcohol unit price (in wholesalers etc) because some people can't stop themselves from drinking to excess or can't drink responsibly. </p>
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<p>The subway thing is always funny, when you get people ordering double meat and cheese and extra bacon then telling their friends how their diet is going really well and it's easy to stick to. </p>
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<p>It is unsurprising that poorer people eat shittier food though. The wife and I eat a lot of salads for dinners and it always amazes me how expensive it is to buy a bunch of salad ingredients from the supermarket to feed two people. Contrast that to how much food you can get in a $10 special pack of fish and chips from the local takeaway store and it's not hard to see why some people make unhealthier choices. It's the same with the 2 litre coke versus 2 litre bottle of skim milk argument.</p>
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<p>Does taxing shitty food help anyone? Not really, people will still eat it. I'll still buy wholesale beers even if the price doubled. Removing GST from fruit and vegetables might be a better incentive to get people to eat healthier. I imagine the cost to the country in lost revenue makes it a fairly undesirable option. </p> -
<p>I don't have much of a sweet tooth and generally eat pretty healthy but every now and then I'll head to drive through KFC/BK as a bit of a treat. I hate sugar drinks and am still surprised at how incredulous the servers are when I ask for a coffee or a water instead. It would be nice if they had healthier drink options, just a shame there is no money in that, maybe there would be if the sugared crap was taxed.</p>
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<p>looking into the fat thing vs sugar thing.</p>
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<p>One thing I think most of the studies about food is don't look at is how little exercise we do now opposed to 20 years ago ~ both as adults and kids. I'm the last hold out on my street that hasn't got a snow blower. Hell even snow blowers are get phased out as people are buying small ride on diggers and ride on lawn mowers in the summer. Last summer my kids football coach thought I was evil incarnate as I made my kids walk to and from practice (its 2.5 km) ~ my sons also though I was a bit of a bastard as well. I did tell them to ride a bike ~ but they said it was too difficult carrying helmet and pads ~ I said If I could cycle with a crate of beer balanced on the crossbar when I was at Uni a bit of football gear should be an issue (that got me into trouble with the wife).</p> -
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One thing I think most of the studies about food is don't look at is how little exercise we do now opposed to 20 years ago ~ both as adults and kids. I'm the last hold out on my street that hasn't got a snow blower. Hell even snow blowers are get phased out as people are buying small ride on diggers and ride on lawn mowers in the summer. Last summer my kids football coach thought I was evil incarnate as I made my kids walk to and from practice (its 2.5 km) ~ my sons also though I was a bit of a bastard as well. I did tell them to ride a bike ~ but they said it was too difficult carrying helmet and pads ~ I said If I could cycle with a crate of beer balanced on the crossbar when I was at Uni a bit of football gear should be an issue (that got me into trouble with the wife).</p></blockquote>
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<p>Trust me, just read the URL and prepare yourself before clicking:</p>
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<p>Unfortunately there's this from the movie De Niro was publicising <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://anhinternational.org/2016/03/23/16295/'>http://anhinternational.org/2016/03/23/16295/</a></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Roboto, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:20.8px;">Researcher Stephanie Seneff PhD from MIT says if things continue this way </span><em>“we can predict that by 2032, 80% of the boys born will end up on the autism spectrum. Half the children, 80% of the boys.</em><span style="font-family:Roboto, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:20.8px;"> </span><em>This is going to be a complete catastrophe if we just let it happen</em><span style="font-family:Roboto, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:20.8px;">â€.</span></p> -
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Unfortunately there's this from the movie De Niro was publicising <a class="bbc_url" href="http://anhinternational.org/2016/03/23/16295/">http://anhinternational.org/2016/03/23/16295/</a><br><br>
Sample quote, <br><br><span style="font-family:Roboto;"><span style="font-size:18px;">Researcher Stephanie Seneff PhD from MIT says if things continue this way </span></span><em>“we can predict that by 2032, 80% of the boys born will end up on the autism spectrum. Half the children, 80% of the boys.</em><span style="font-family:Roboto;"></span><em>This is going to be a complete catastrophe if we just let it happen</em><span style="font-family:Roboto;"><span style="font-size:18px;">â€.</span></span></p></blockquote>
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I'm guessing that quote is somewhat out of context. She's referring to a change in the rate of the on set of autism and IF that rate of change that occurred from 2000 to 2010 continues then ...<br><br>
She's not quoted as saying it's caused by vaccination or that it WILL continue ...<br><br>
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I'm guessing that quote is somewhat out of context. She's referring to a change in the rate of the on set of autism and IF that rate of change that occurred from 2000 to 2010 continues then ...<br><br>
She's not quoted as saying it's caused by vaccination or that it WILL continue ...<br><br>
Personally I blame sugar ... and Islam ...</p></blockquote>
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Unless she's a pro disease nutter I'd say so, mind you there are cretins who twist the stats to try and show the smallpox and polio vaccine kill more people than would otherwise die if they weren't vaccinated .<br><br>
Wakefield is like a god in the pro disease crowd in the states. Jenny MacCarthy etc help fund and publicise his lunacy
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