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@kirwan we were the same, TR Jnr by c-section with cord wrapped around his neck.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The reforms of the early to mid 90's brought down the average nights stayed in hospital significantly for various situations... for better or worse...
I vaguely recall a stat that new mothers used to stay in hospital an average seven nights after giving birth, until the Crown Health Enterprise reforms of the hospitals, which was eventually down to 1-2 nights.
That stat is about right. In fact for a routine birth they encourage you to leave immediately and head to another facility like birthcare
Which is a fucking incredibly good example of how little NZ government/bureacracy gives a fuck about actual people. My wife had about 10 days in hospital following her C-section (it's about 5 for a regular birth) and they taught her how to be a mother, how to feed, change, deal with screaming etc. etc.
Seems to have gone down the midwife at home model for post-birth support. Someone I know from school has been very active in the 'childbirth is not a medical event' movement (or whatever they call it) in recent years in staunch support of home births.
People have forgotten how dangerous childbirth can be for the mother or the child. You don't have time to fuck around when the cord is wrapped around a kids neck (which happened to us).
If we were home, and had to wait for an ambulance, get to hospital, get a surgeon, emergency c-section, my daughter would have died or suffered significant brain damage.
Being in hospital for child birth is a good thing.
I'm still traumatised by that experience and I was in the hospital (at 3am, wife unconscious and with me with the baby). And I was in Lower Hutt!
I came out with the cord around my neck and slightly blue. (true story)
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The reforms of the early to mid 90's brought down the average nights stayed in hospital significantly for various situations... for better or worse...
I vaguely recall a stat that new mothers used to stay in hospital an average seven nights after giving birth, until the Crown Health Enterprise reforms of the hospitals, which was eventually down to 1-2 nights.
That stat is about right. In fact for a routine birth they encourage you to leave immediately and head to another facility like birthcare
Which is a fucking incredibly good example of how little NZ government/bureacracy gives a fuck about actual people. My wife had about 10 days in hospital following her C-section (it's about 5 for a regular birth) and they taught her how to be a mother, how to feed, change, deal with screaming etc. etc.
Seems to have gone down the midwife at home model for post-birth support. Someone I know from school has been very active in the 'childbirth is not a medical event' movement (or whatever they call it) in recent years in staunch support of home births.
People have forgotten how dangerous childbirth can be for the mother or the child. You don't have time to fuck around when the cord is wrapped around a kids neck (which happened to us).
If we were home, and had to wait for an ambulance, get to hospital, get a surgeon, emergency c-section, my daughter would have died or suffered significant brain damage.
Being in hospital for child birth is a good thing.
I'm still traumatised by that experience and I was in the hospital (at 3am, wife unconscious and with me with the baby). And I was in Lower Hutt!
Agreed, hospital births by choice for our two. For the youngest there was also a wrapped cord and 'one last push' away from an emergency C section too, medical staff were starting to appear from everywhere by that stage.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The reforms of the early to mid 90's brought down the average nights stayed in hospital significantly for various situations... for better or worse...
I vaguely recall a stat that new mothers used to stay in hospital an average seven nights after giving birth, until the Crown Health Enterprise reforms of the hospitals, which was eventually down to 1-2 nights.
That stat is about right. In fact for a routine birth they encourage you to leave immediately and head to another facility like birthcare
Which is a fucking incredibly good example of how little NZ government/bureacracy gives a fuck about actual people. My wife had about 10 days in hospital following her C-section (it's about 5 for a regular birth) and they taught her how to be a mother, how to feed, change, deal with screaming etc. etc.
Seems to have gone down the midwife at home model for post-birth support. Someone I know from school has been very active in the 'childbirth is not a medical event' movement (or whatever they call it) in recent years in staunch support of home births.
People have forgotten how dangerous childbirth can be for the mother or the child. You don't have time to fuck around when the cord is wrapped around a kids neck (which happened to us).
If we were home, and had to wait for an ambulance, get to hospital, get a surgeon, emergency c-section, my daughter would have died or suffered significant brain damage.
Being in hospital for child birth is a good thing.
I'm still traumatised by that experience and I was in the hospital (at 3am, wife unconscious and with me with the baby). And I was in Lower Hutt!
I won't go into details but my wife would have died if we weren't in hospital for our first son. Home births are a fucking idiotic risk to take.
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@no-quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The reforms of the early to mid 90's brought down the average nights stayed in hospital significantly for various situations... for better or worse...
I vaguely recall a stat that new mothers used to stay in hospital an average seven nights after giving birth, until the Crown Health Enterprise reforms of the hospitals, which was eventually down to 1-2 nights.
That stat is about right. In fact for a routine birth they encourage you to leave immediately and head to another facility like birthcare
Which is a fucking incredibly good example of how little NZ government/bureacracy gives a fuck about actual people. My wife had about 10 days in hospital following her C-section (it's about 5 for a regular birth) and they taught her how to be a mother, how to feed, change, deal with screaming etc. etc.
Seems to have gone down the midwife at home model for post-birth support. Someone I know from school has been very active in the 'childbirth is not a medical event' movement (or whatever they call it) in recent years in staunch support of home births.
People have forgotten how dangerous childbirth can be for the mother or the child. You don't have time to fuck around when the cord is wrapped around a kids neck (which happened to us).
If we were home, and had to wait for an ambulance, get to hospital, get a surgeon, emergency c-section, my daughter would have died or suffered significant brain damage.
Being in hospital for child birth is a good thing.
I'm still traumatised by that experience and I was in the hospital (at 3am, wife unconscious and with me with the baby). And I was in Lower Hutt!
I won't go into details but my wife would have died if we weren't in hospital for our first son. Home births are a fucking idiotic risk to take.
And mothers are put under huge pressure to have them. I had to watch a midwife arguing with a doctor in front of my wife for the first kid. I just talked over them both and said what I wanted to have happen (doctor lead birth). Didn't make a new friend.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan we were the same, TR Jnr by c-section with cord wrapped around his neck.
Scary stuff isn't it.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@no-quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The reforms of the early to mid 90's brought down the average nights stayed in hospital significantly for various situations... for better or worse...
I vaguely recall a stat that new mothers used to stay in hospital an average seven nights after giving birth, until the Crown Health Enterprise reforms of the hospitals, which was eventually down to 1-2 nights.
That stat is about right. In fact for a routine birth they encourage you to leave immediately and head to another facility like birthcare
Which is a fucking incredibly good example of how little NZ government/bureacracy gives a fuck about actual people. My wife had about 10 days in hospital following her C-section (it's about 5 for a regular birth) and they taught her how to be a mother, how to feed, change, deal with screaming etc. etc.
Seems to have gone down the midwife at home model for post-birth support. Someone I know from school has been very active in the 'childbirth is not a medical event' movement (or whatever they call it) in recent years in staunch support of home births.
People have forgotten how dangerous childbirth can be for the mother or the child. You don't have time to fuck around when the cord is wrapped around a kids neck (which happened to us).
If we were home, and had to wait for an ambulance, get to hospital, get a surgeon, emergency c-section, my daughter would have died or suffered significant brain damage.
Being in hospital for child birth is a good thing.
I'm still traumatised by that experience and I was in the hospital (at 3am, wife unconscious and with me with the baby). And I was in Lower Hutt!
I won't go into details but my wife would have died if we weren't in hospital for our first son. Home births are a fucking idiotic risk to take.
And mothers are put under huge pressure to have them. I had to watch a midwife arguing with a doctor in front of my wife for the first kid. I just talked over them both and said what I wanted to have happen (doctor lead birth). Didn't make a new friend.
look, while i respect a lot about what they do
i have no time for midwives after the breastfeeding bullshit we were put through with our first. And stories like this seem to suggest the entire profession has been taken over by a particular ideology, and that trumps the actual people involved.
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@kirwan yup, wife reckons I aged over night when TR Jnr was born, I was allowed in there for that one
Miss TR was also born by c-section, I wasnt allowed in the theatre, and Miss was rushed to SKBU (I think this was partly as she was over 10lbs)
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@no-quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The reforms of the early to mid 90's brought down the average nights stayed in hospital significantly for various situations... for better or worse...
I vaguely recall a stat that new mothers used to stay in hospital an average seven nights after giving birth, until the Crown Health Enterprise reforms of the hospitals, which was eventually down to 1-2 nights.
That stat is about right. In fact for a routine birth they encourage you to leave immediately and head to another facility like birthcare
Which is a fucking incredibly good example of how little NZ government/bureacracy gives a fuck about actual people. My wife had about 10 days in hospital following her C-section (it's about 5 for a regular birth) and they taught her how to be a mother, how to feed, change, deal with screaming etc. etc.
Seems to have gone down the midwife at home model for post-birth support. Someone I know from school has been very active in the 'childbirth is not a medical event' movement (or whatever they call it) in recent years in staunch support of home births.
People have forgotten how dangerous childbirth can be for the mother or the child. You don't have time to fuck around when the cord is wrapped around a kids neck (which happened to us).
If we were home, and had to wait for an ambulance, get to hospital, get a surgeon, emergency c-section, my daughter would have died or suffered significant brain damage.
Being in hospital for child birth is a good thing.
I'm still traumatised by that experience and I was in the hospital (at 3am, wife unconscious and with me with the baby). And I was in Lower Hutt!
I won't go into details but my wife would have died if we weren't in hospital for our first son. Home births are a fucking idiotic risk to take.
And mothers are put under huge pressure to have them. I had to watch a midwife arguing with a doctor in front of my wife for the first kid. I just talked over them both and said what I wanted to have happen (doctor lead birth). Didn't make a new friend.
look, while i respect a lot about what they do
i have no time for midwives after the breastfeeding bullshit we were put through with our first. And stories like this seem to suggest the entire profession has been taken over by a particular ideology, and that trumps the actual people involved.
La leche. Breast feeding good, formula is the devil in powder form. You are less of a mother if you can't breast feed 🙄
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@no-quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The reforms of the early to mid 90's brought down the average nights stayed in hospital significantly for various situations... for better or worse...
I vaguely recall a stat that new mothers used to stay in hospital an average seven nights after giving birth, until the Crown Health Enterprise reforms of the hospitals, which was eventually down to 1-2 nights.
That stat is about right. In fact for a routine birth they encourage you to leave immediately and head to another facility like birthcare
Which is a fucking incredibly good example of how little NZ government/bureacracy gives a fuck about actual people. My wife had about 10 days in hospital following her C-section (it's about 5 for a regular birth) and they taught her how to be a mother, how to feed, change, deal with screaming etc. etc.
Seems to have gone down the midwife at home model for post-birth support. Someone I know from school has been very active in the 'childbirth is not a medical event' movement (or whatever they call it) in recent years in staunch support of home births.
People have forgotten how dangerous childbirth can be for the mother or the child. You don't have time to fuck around when the cord is wrapped around a kids neck (which happened to us).
If we were home, and had to wait for an ambulance, get to hospital, get a surgeon, emergency c-section, my daughter would have died or suffered significant brain damage.
Being in hospital for child birth is a good thing.
I'm still traumatised by that experience and I was in the hospital (at 3am, wife unconscious and with me with the baby). And I was in Lower Hutt!
I won't go into details but my wife would have died if we weren't in hospital for our first son. Home births are a fucking idiotic risk to take.
And mothers are put under huge pressure to have them. I had to watch a midwife arguing with a doctor in front of my wife for the first kid. I just talked over them both and said what I wanted to have happen (doctor lead birth). Didn't make a new friend.
A midwife who has an inflated opinion of their own abilities is a dangerous thing
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@no-quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The reforms of the early to mid 90's brought down the average nights stayed in hospital significantly for various situations... for better or worse...
I vaguely recall a stat that new mothers used to stay in hospital an average seven nights after giving birth, until the Crown Health Enterprise reforms of the hospitals, which was eventually down to 1-2 nights.
That stat is about right. In fact for a routine birth they encourage you to leave immediately and head to another facility like birthcare
Which is a fucking incredibly good example of how little NZ government/bureacracy gives a fuck about actual people. My wife had about 10 days in hospital following her C-section (it's about 5 for a regular birth) and they taught her how to be a mother, how to feed, change, deal with screaming etc. etc.
Seems to have gone down the midwife at home model for post-birth support. Someone I know from school has been very active in the 'childbirth is not a medical event' movement (or whatever they call it) in recent years in staunch support of home births.
People have forgotten how dangerous childbirth can be for the mother or the child. You don't have time to fuck around when the cord is wrapped around a kids neck (which happened to us).
If we were home, and had to wait for an ambulance, get to hospital, get a surgeon, emergency c-section, my daughter would have died or suffered significant brain damage.
Being in hospital for child birth is a good thing.
I'm still traumatised by that experience and I was in the hospital (at 3am, wife unconscious and with me with the baby). And I was in Lower Hutt!
I won't go into details but my wife would have died if we weren't in hospital for our first son. Home births are a fucking idiotic risk to take.
And mothers are put under huge pressure to have them. I had to watch a midwife arguing with a doctor in front of my wife for the first kid. I just talked over them both and said what I wanted to have happen (doctor lead birth). Didn't make a new friend.
look, while i respect a lot about what they do
i have no time for midwives after the breastfeeding bullshit we were put through with our first. And stories like this seem to suggest the entire profession has been taken over by a particular ideology, and that trumps the actual people involved.
La leche. Breast feeding good, formula is the devil in powder form. You are less of a mother if you can't breast feed 🙄
that was it. Even after the pediatrician came in and told them to feed my giant kid because he was starving
the 2nd one i just rocked up with formula on day 1 and ignored them
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@mariner4life yep we had kids that were so different...TR Jnr couldnt get enough and was always hungry so had to have formula, which our midwife was sweet about, Miss TR was fine, great eater, sleeper etc...now she is about to become a teenager
That said, our Midwife was amazing.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@no-quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The reforms of the early to mid 90's brought down the average nights stayed in hospital significantly for various situations... for better or worse...
I vaguely recall a stat that new mothers used to stay in hospital an average seven nights after giving birth, until the Crown Health Enterprise reforms of the hospitals, which was eventually down to 1-2 nights.
That stat is about right. In fact for a routine birth they encourage you to leave immediately and head to another facility like birthcare
Which is a fucking incredibly good example of how little NZ government/bureacracy gives a fuck about actual people. My wife had about 10 days in hospital following her C-section (it's about 5 for a regular birth) and they taught her how to be a mother, how to feed, change, deal with screaming etc. etc.
Seems to have gone down the midwife at home model for post-birth support. Someone I know from school has been very active in the 'childbirth is not a medical event' movement (or whatever they call it) in recent years in staunch support of home births.
People have forgotten how dangerous childbirth can be for the mother or the child. You don't have time to fuck around when the cord is wrapped around a kids neck (which happened to us).
If we were home, and had to wait for an ambulance, get to hospital, get a surgeon, emergency c-section, my daughter would have died or suffered significant brain damage.
Being in hospital for child birth is a good thing.
I'm still traumatised by that experience and I was in the hospital (at 3am, wife unconscious and with me with the baby). And I was in Lower Hutt!
I won't go into details but my wife would have died if we weren't in hospital for our first son. Home births are a fucking idiotic risk to take.
And mothers are put under huge pressure to have them. I had to watch a midwife arguing with a doctor in front of my wife for the first kid. I just talked over them both and said what I wanted to have happen (doctor lead birth). Didn't make a new friend.
look, while i respect a lot about what they do
i have no time for midwives after the breastfeeding bullshit we were put through with our first. And stories like this seem to suggest the entire profession has been taken over by a particular ideology, and that trumps the actual people involved.
La leche. Breast feeding good, formula is the devil in powder form. You are less of a mother if you can't breast feed 🙄
that was it. Even after the pediatrician came in and told them to feed my giant kid because he was starving
the 2nd one i just rocked up with formula on day 1 and ignored them
Haha me too. The convo went something like "pretty please with sugar on top get the fucking formula"
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@no-quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The reforms of the early to mid 90's brought down the average nights stayed in hospital significantly for various situations... for better or worse...
I vaguely recall a stat that new mothers used to stay in hospital an average seven nights after giving birth, until the Crown Health Enterprise reforms of the hospitals, which was eventually down to 1-2 nights.
That stat is about right. In fact for a routine birth they encourage you to leave immediately and head to another facility like birthcare
Which is a fucking incredibly good example of how little NZ government/bureacracy gives a fuck about actual people. My wife had about 10 days in hospital following her C-section (it's about 5 for a regular birth) and they taught her how to be a mother, how to feed, change, deal with screaming etc. etc.
Seems to have gone down the midwife at home model for post-birth support. Someone I know from school has been very active in the 'childbirth is not a medical event' movement (or whatever they call it) in recent years in staunch support of home births.
People have forgotten how dangerous childbirth can be for the mother or the child. You don't have time to fuck around when the cord is wrapped around a kids neck (which happened to us).
If we were home, and had to wait for an ambulance, get to hospital, get a surgeon, emergency c-section, my daughter would have died or suffered significant brain damage.
Being in hospital for child birth is a good thing.
I'm still traumatised by that experience and I was in the hospital (at 3am, wife unconscious and with me with the baby). And I was in Lower Hutt!
I won't go into details but my wife would have died if we weren't in hospital for our first son. Home births are a fucking idiotic risk to take.
Respectfully disagree. In the UK, statistics show the risk is very slightly higher for first time mothers, and the same for non-first time mothers.
The home births vs hospital births debate
We explore the various arguments of the home births vs hospital births debate, including the difference in safety and risk of complications.
NZ over-medicalises birth compared to the UK. There are very few serious birth complications that happen suddenly, you almost always get enough time to transfer to hospital. Even an "emergency" C-section takes 30-40mins for them to prepare the theatre. If you're closer than that to the hospital, then the time-limiting factor won't be whether you're coming from home or from the birthing unit downstairs....
I'm hardly the happy clappy hippy weirdo type, but we had a home birth for our first one last year. I also assumed it was an idiotic risk to take, but we looked into it as the then covid rules meant I'd be absent for 99.5% of the labour if it happened in hospital. Having done a ton of research about it we realised home births are way less risky than you think, and there are tons of advantages. The biggest being so much of the process is hormonal, and it happes much smoother in a dark, safe, familiar environment vs a brightly lit hospital.
I delivered our son myself in our bedroom which was pretty cool. He did have the cord around his neck, but as I learnt that's really quite common and not an issue most of the time as there was plenty of slack.
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Same as breast feeding, I think everybody has the right to make their own decisions on how they choose to handle birthing and early stages.
There is no way I would have done anything else other than planned c-section with my wife for a variety of reasons which I won't go into. And due to this I didn't research home birthing methods etc. However, if she was due to give birth in Q2 2020 in the UK, I suspect I would have. Hospitals were breeding grounds for Covid in an unvaccinated population back then in the UK.
With respect to breast feeding, what La Leche League are all about is actually a very good thing. The problem with them is they have evil fuckwits doing their work for them.
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@tewaio Agree 100%. I know that the great majority of births in the Netherlands are at home, too. In most cases, fewer risks than hospital births. But their midwives may be better trained, too. Having had to do with all sorts of medical professions and institutions in both countries myself (unfortunately), I'd say the medical training there is much better than here, generally.
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
With respect to breast feeding, what La Leche League are all about is actually a very good thing. The problem with them is they have evil fuckwits doing their work for them.
Absolutely! Breastmilk is better than bottle feeding for several reasons, including nutrition and psychological development, but those idiots are going all activist about it and their messaging is completely wrong. My wife had to do with them through work and got sick of them.
Uhm, how did we end up talking about this anyway?
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Everyone has right to choose what they feel is best, and being 15 mins from the hospital we had time even though he had the cord round his neck twice, neither my wife or I were keen on home birth anyway...they also couldn't get the epidural to work, which created issues after the c-section giving epidural headaches.
And the one thing that helped most with them, V or Red Bull...so those were fun nights in the hospital when tr jnr woke wanting food, gets fed, then he was up for an all nighter...
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Yeah, one of the best things about hospital birth is that as the Dad, you get to piss off home each night for a good sleep.
Either that or what I did, and head to the pub to wet the babies head .... Nothing like first night at home with a newborn on a stinking hangover!
Home Births etc
