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@voodoo The vaxxed vs un-vaxxed transmission stuff is borderline debunked imo and thats the only real reason to mandate work places.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v1.full
Key quote in this one "Transmission reductions declined over time since second vaccination, for Delta reaching similar levels to unvaccinated individuals by 12 weeks for ChAdOx1 and attenuating substantially for BNT162b2."
Not peer-reviewed so not 100% but i havent seen much hard stuff on transmission.
Basically prepeare to get covid.
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@billy-tell Taika will be in shortly on an exemption - good PR.
Both the wife and I got jabbed. If my kids were over 12 Iโd do my own research and decide.
What I wouldnโt do is not get jabbed until there was a huge jab party complete with princess, princess fawning media, free kfc / sports tickets & partys. Because I cannot comprehend the attitude of non vaxers having a change of heart for โsuperโ Saturday.
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@booboo nah Auckland is at Level 2.95a, Northland and parts of Waikato Level 3.
Most stuff I saw on TV people were in cars, masks, social distanced etc...fun as day for some apparently, I mowed lawns, went for a run, no prizes for me ๐
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It's just occurred to me.
These events were NZ wide including Auckland right?
Auckland's been in lockdown right?
Good excuse to get out of the house.
Or am I missing something?
We can leave the house. Spent much of the weekend on playdates with the kids in the park
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So heard Bloomfield being a little joy germ on the radio this morning.
It's great that we are almost at 90% first jab in Akl
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the target is 90% double jabbed
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if we get to 90 first jab this week then there should be a 3 week delay until we hit the fully vaccinated target
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then there's two weeks for the protection to kick in.
So we are talking 6 weeks Ashley - right?
...but...
there's still the rest of NZ to consider. Until the whole country is double jabbed (plus two weeks) the Auckland borders have to stay in place
...but...
With a R rate above 1 vaccinations are only part of the control strategy
I think his dancing must have shaken something loose in Bloomfield's noggin. How easy is it to keep Akl in isolation when it doesn't affect you directly?
After nine weeks of this I shudder to think how people in Melbourne or much of the northern hemisphere coped with longer lockdowns.
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@dogmeat wasnt his submission to Govt for locking the borders up completely last year?
Guess his perspective is just one factor, while a considerable one, has little to do with the economy, mental or social wellbeing (well it impacts these considerably, but what he is advising on is what I mean)
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The general mood in my little part of Auckland is that we are holding up our end and it will soon be time for the government to hold up theirs. Will be interesting to see how things go if they move the goalposts again and keep us in L3 longer and longer
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
it will soon be time for the government to hold up theirs
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
it will soon be time for the government to hold up theirs
It's the hope that kills you
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So heard Bloomfield being a little joy germ on the radio this morning.
It's great that we are almost at 90% first jab in Akl
.... but....
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the target is 90% double jabbed
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if we get to 90 first jab this week then there should be a 3 week delay until we hit the fully vaccinated target
-
then there's two weeks for the protection to kick in.
So we are talking 6 weeks Ashley - right?
...but...
there's still the rest of NZ to consider. Until the whole country is double jabbed (plus two weeks) the Auckland borders have to stay in place
...but...
With a R rate above 1 vaccinations are only part of the control strategy
I think his dancing must have shaken something loose in Bloomfield's noggin. How easy is it to keep Akl in isolation when it doesn't affect you directly?
After nine weeks of this I shudder to think how people in Melbourne or much of the northern hemisphere coped with longer lockdowns.
Fuck, I have to stop checking this thread, 98% of the time it makes me feel really depressed. I feel sorry for those of you who are stuck in lockdown and can't get out despite the choices of others.
My family is from a rural background and many of our rurally-based friends are vaccine hesitant, mainly because they don't interact with that many people and also are a bit more conservative (one or two get their news from the states, often via fox or associated sources, then share it around with others here via FB).
Personally speaking, I don't mind them making that choice but if the major cities are at 90% NZ should start making some positive decisions to support those who've done their part, rather than waiting on those who don't plan to.
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TBH. The reality on the ground will be dictated by gangs and tuck drivers, now. Not Bloomfield.
What he is saying maybe the theory.
Which may be depressing, but no point Auckland staying in level 3 for 9 weeks if the virus is already throughout the north island by say week 4 - as a theoretical example.
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
TBH. The reality on the ground will be dictated by gangs and tuck drivers, now. Not Bloomfield.
What he is saying maybe the theory.
Which may be depressing, but no point Auckland staying in level 3 for 9 weeks if the virus is already throughout the north island by say week 4 - as a theoretical example.
The sooner they realise they are no longer in control the sooner they start thinking about managing things differently. The people who will flout the rules in L3 will flout them in L2 or L4 as well. And the longer things go on compliance in those who up until now have been following the rules will wane
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So heard Bloomfield being a little joy germ on the radio this morning.
It's great that we are almost at 90% first jab in Akl
.... but....
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the target is 90% double jabbed
-
if we get to 90 first jab this week then there should be a 3 week delay until we hit the fully vaccinated target
-
then there's two weeks for the protection to kick in.
So we are talking 6 weeks Ashley - right?
...but...
there's still the rest of NZ to consider. Until the whole country is double jabbed (plus two weeks) the Auckland borders have to stay in place
...but...
With a R rate above 1 vaccinations are only part of the control strategy
I think his dancing must have shaken something loose in Bloomfield's noggin. How easy is it to keep Akl in isolation when it doesn't affect you directly?
After nine weeks of this I shudder to think how people in Melbourne or much of the northern hemisphere coped with longer lockdowns.
But during those 6 weeks, some children turned 12 and are now eligible for the vaccine, so we have to be kind and let them have the opportunity to be fully vaccinated...
Sounds like reasons for avoiding making hard decisions. Hopefully he's providing something more useful to the government.
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@anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So heard Bloomfield being a little joy germ on the radio this morning.
It's great that we are almost at 90% first jab in Akl
.... but....
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the target is 90% double jabbed
-
if we get to 90 first jab this week then there should be a 3 week delay until we hit the fully vaccinated target
-
then there's two weeks for the protection to kick in.
So we are talking 6 weeks Ashley - right?
...but...
there's still the rest of NZ to consider. Until the whole country is double jabbed (plus two weeks) the Auckland borders have to stay in place
...but...
With a R rate above 1 vaccinations are only part of the control strategy
I think his dancing must have shaken something loose in Bloomfield's noggin. How easy is it to keep Akl in isolation when it doesn't affect you directly?
After nine weeks of this I shudder to think how people in Melbourne or much of the northern hemisphere coped with longer lockdowns.
But during those 6 weeks, some children turned 12 and are now eligible for the vaccine, so we have to be kind and let them have the opportunity to be fully vaccinated...
Sounds like reasons for avoiding making hard decisions. Hopefully he's providing something more useful to the government.
Hope is the killer!!!!
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan say hello to Brian for me
(not having a dig. If Akl stays in lockdown after doing its bit I will be tearing down the barricades as well)
Yep, that's why I carefully didn't say protest
Plenty of people around us just not paying attention to the levels at all anymore. I saw the Auckland party on instagram, so there will be more of that.
People will be complient when they trust the source, but again, as these guys keep saying one thing and doing another there will come a point where they'll get told to fuck off. Especially as people start losing their homes/businesses.
Asking for a friend, these arseholes taking a paycut to share the pain? Didn't think so.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Well, if that's their plan (fuck us over even if we make 90%) then they can expect a lot of civil disobedience.
That's why they needed to actually announce a plan, so they actually had something to be held to. There's always going to be a reason to wait just a little bit longer.
It's the indecisiveness that's going to end up fucking everyone over.
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I see headlines talking about a 'circuit breaker' L4 for Auckland...that will go down well.
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