Alec Baldwin
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@kiwiwomble said in Movie review thread...:
@tim thats just horrible for everyone involved
It looks real-real bad for Alec. Still investigating, but it sure looks like he’ll be facing a manslaughter charge, plus lots of criminial negligence charges and civil damage lawsuits. He’s co-producer of the film. LA Times today has extensive notes about unionized workers walking off set, replaced illegally by scabs days before; three, count’em THREE accidental misfires before Alec unloaded, and internal memos & text messages days before the mishap calling the set “super-unsafe.” Eye-witness testimony and receipts on everything. Baldwin is on the hook for ALL of that.
‘Rust’ crew describes on-set gun safety issues and misfires days before fatal shooting
'Rust' crew describes on-set gun safety issues and misfires days before fatal shooting
At least one of the camera operators complained last weekend to production managers about gun safety on the set.
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@kid-chocolate I’ve seen people calling for him to be held responsible but more people pointing out that’s not normal on a movie set, that the prop master and someone else, whose title I can’t remember but not the producer, are responsible for making sure firearms are safe, not the actors. It may depend on if he did anything to cause it too misfire
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@kiwiwomble said in Movie review thread...:
@kid-chocolate I’ve seen people calling for him to be held responsible but more people pointing out that’s not normal on a movie set, that the prop master and someone else, whose title I can’t remember but not the producer, are responsible for making sure firearms are safe, not the actors. It may depend on if he did anything to cause it too misfire
Yeah, even as a producer it’s not going to be on him. The are two people who’s job it is to make firearms safe on set and they have to pass it between them before it gets close to an actor.
There will be lots of uninformed bullshit written about this.
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@kirwan I dunno, given the litigious nature of the US, I expect he could be in the line of fire with others.
In NZ under the H & S in the workplace act, the CEO/DIrectors of the company will be party to any charges as they have to be all over any H & S processes along with several others lower down the ladder.
Which is why Peter Jackson resigned form the board of Weta Works when this legislation came in following Pike River as he said he couldnt keep a close enough eye on the goings on knowing he could be held responsible if somethign happened.
Also, not sure Bond is out yet, even on some of the raging river sites...but I did see Dune there a few days back when I was riding the rapids
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Regards Baldwin, was he pointing it at her, in one of his legendary tantrums, aiming towards the camera, or just a clumsy accident?
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@nostrildamus said in Movie review thread...:
Regards Baldwin, was he pointing it at her, in one of his legendary tantrums, aiming towards the camera, or just a clumsy accident?
From what I read, they were rehearsing a scene, it accidentally discharged
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@canefan ah ok, thanks, that makes sense.
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@nostrildamus said in Movie review thread...:
@canefan ah ok, thanks, that makes sense.
He was told it was a blank but it was a live round
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does anyone know why they would have even had real rounds on set? and they keep saying it was a prop gun...but if a prop gun can fire a normal round doesn't that just make it a normal gun?
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@kiwiwomble said in Movie review thread...:
does anyone know why they would have even had real rounds on set?
For sequences that require real rounds? The issue isn't that there are live rounds, it's that they've been managed in a way that has permitted them to be mistaken. Like range management 101; never mix ammunition.
Movie sets will by their nature be a compromised departure from good weapon handling.
What strikes me as fucking odd is this snjippet from the article:
The gun that was fired was one of three laid on a cart by the film‘s armourer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed.
What were the other two for? How did the deputy director know which one to grab?
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@antipodean ok, what kind of scene can only be shot using real rounds? applying the first rule of HSE (elimination) im honestly surprised thats a thing, that scenes cant be filmed using some sort of CGI/special effects etc
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@kiwiwomble said in Movie review thread...:
@antipodean ok, what kind of scene can only be shot using real rounds? applying the first rule of HSE (elimination) im honestly surprised thats a thing, that scenes cant be filmed using coes sort of CGI/special effects etc
Realistic automatic gunfire for one. Weapon effects for another. CGI looks obviously fake.
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@antipodean said in Movie review thread...:
@kiwiwomble said in Movie review thread...:
@antipodean ok, what kind of scene can only be shot using real rounds? applying the first rule of HSE (elimination) im honestly surprised thats a thing, that scenes cant be filmed using coes sort of CGI/special effects etc
Realistic automatic gunfire for one. Weapon effects for another. CGI looks obviously fake.
and a lot cheaper
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@antipodean thats a revelation to me, i have to say id though all movies/tv would only use blanks/cgi
@bayimports probably not by the time any lawsuit is finished
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@kiwiwomble said in Movie review thread...:
@antipodean thats a revelation to me, i have to say id though all movies/tv would only use blanks/cgi
@bayimports probably not by the time any lawsuit is finished
Think about how many films use guns, this is a sure rare occurrence as you can tell from the coverage. A bit coming out about the 24 year old "master of arms" responsible for the gun on set, who got the job via her dad. Previously has given live guns to kids.
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i did some googling as was so surprised, seems there are industry guidelines about not bringing live ammunition on set
Prop guns spark debate after cinematographer's death on set
An on-set shooting death has reignited concern about the use of prop guns like the weapon actor Alec Baldwin discharged in the killing of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins while filming a movie in New Mexico.
directs to this
"BLANKS CAN KILL. TREAT ALL FIREARMS AS THOUGH THEY ARE LOADED. "LIVE AMMUNITION" IS NEVER TO BE USED NOR BROUGHT ONTO ANY STUDIO LOT OR STAGE."and from
Guns, Ammo, Accountability: Hollywood Munitions Experts Grapple With ‘Rust’ Tragedy
Questions swirl about on-set gun safety and who could be at fault after Alec Baldwin discharged a prop gun loaded with live rounds, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injuring director Joel Souza.
Firearms safety guidelines are clear and longstanding in Hollywood, where guns have been employed on the big screen since the silent film era: Live ammunition is never to be used nor brought onto any studio lot or stage. Blanks can kill. Treat all firearms as though they are loaded.obviously just guidelines
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@kid-chocolate ok. Different perspectives.
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@kiwiwomble said in Alec Baldwin:
does anyone know why they would have even had real rounds on set? and they keep saying it was a prop gun...but if a prop gun can fire a normal round doesn't that just make it a normal gun?
That's been my query. How in the hell can they have a prop that is a real gun?
Alec Baldwin Was Told Gun in Fatal Shooting on Set Was Safe, Officials Say (Published 2021)
