Alec Baldwin
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@kiwiwomble said in Alec Baldwin:
@paekakboyz yeah, i just read that too
that they use to take the guns for target practice, nothing to do with filming, just for fun
Part and parcel of living in a society that sees guns as 'normal'.
Just increases the risk levels.I know it is probably cheaper and easier but why don't they actually use 'props'? Model replicas that can't fire bullets?
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@rancid-schnitzel he's well named isn't he.
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@paekakboyz said in Alec Baldwin:
@rancid-schnitzel he's well named isn't he.
He doesn't hide who he is. He's a Russian Jew so his real name is Malicowisz or something. Have you ever seen him on Rogan? He's actually very interesting. Wrote a great book on North Korea. Hates cops with a passion. And obviously Alec Baldwin 🤔
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@paekakboyz said in Alec Baldwin:
I'd read that the person looking after the guns had gone shooting with live rounds earlier in the day (as they had some cool guns on set) then things went really wrong after that.
I'm astonished.
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When you think about all the millions of films, TV shows, skits, videos etc etc made that involve people shooting or killing each other it must take a special level of incompetence for this to happen. If even the cheapest, shittiest independent films can keep people safe then this should never happen on a decent budget Hollywood production. I mean it's a Western ffs. It's like them not having climbing safety experts involved in the making of Cliffhanger.
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@antipodean said in Alec Baldwin:
@paekakboyz said in Alec Baldwin:
I'd read that the person looking after the guns had gone shooting with live rounds earlier in the day (as they had some cool guns on set) then things went really wrong after that.
I'm astonished.
Someone is going to get in deep shit over this
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Alec Baldwin:
When you think about all the millions of films, TV shows, skits, videos etc etc made that involve people shooting or killing each other it must take a special level of incompetence for this to happen. If even the cheapest, shittiest independent films can keep people safe then this should never happen on a decent budget Hollywood production. I mean it's a Western ffs. It's like them not having climbing safety experts involved in the making of Cliffhanger.
i think thats largely why i assumed films would only use prop guns (not real ones as i have learnt) and blanks, i felt people were too stupid to have real guns and ammo around and for this to mot be more common
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@kiwiwomble said in Alec Baldwin:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Alec Baldwin:
When you think about all the millions of films, TV shows, skits, videos etc etc made that involve people shooting or killing each other it must take a special level of incompetence for this to happen. If even the cheapest, shittiest independent films can keep people safe then this should never happen on a decent budget Hollywood production. I mean it's a Western ffs. It's like them not having climbing safety experts involved in the making of Cliffhanger.
i think thats largely why i assumed films would only use prop guns (not real ones as i have learnt) and blanks, i felt people were too stupid to have real guns and ammo around and for this to mot be more common
A gun that can fire blanks can fire live ammunition. Blanks can kill - they have a minimum safe distance.
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@antipodean as ive said, i was under the impression a prop gun was different to a real gun...hense the use of the name prop gun rather than...gun
of course they can still kill, as i have read about, but no projectile definitely makes the minimum safe distance smaller
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@antipodean said in Alec Baldwin:
@kiwiwomble said in Alec Baldwin:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Alec Baldwin:
When you think about all the millions of films, TV shows, skits, videos etc etc made that involve people shooting or killing each other it must take a special level of incompetence for this to happen. If even the cheapest, shittiest independent films can keep people safe then this should never happen on a decent budget Hollywood production. I mean it's a Western ffs. It's like them not having climbing safety experts involved in the making of Cliffhanger.
i think thats largely why i assumed films would only use prop guns (not real ones as i have learnt) and blanks, i felt people were too stupid to have real guns and ammo around and for this to mot be more common
A gun that can fire blanks can fire live ammunition. Blanks can kill - they have a minimum safe distance.
Yeah it would get a bit expensy in the military if they needed an whole duplicate blanks weapons armoury for training exercises.
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@kiwiwomble said in Alec Baldwin:
@antipodean as ive said, i was under the impression a prop gun was different to a real gun...hense the use of the name prop gun rather than...gun
of course they can still kill, as i have read about, but no projectile definitely makes the minimum safe distance smaller
Perhaps I wasn't clear. In order to fire blanks they need real firearms. Even blanks can kill. There is definitely a safe distance to ammunition, live or blank. Blank ammunition doesn't go very far.
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@antipodean said in Alec Baldwin:
@kiwiwomble said in Alec Baldwin:
@antipodean as ive said, i was under the impression a prop gun was different to a real gun...hense the use of the name prop gun rather than...gun
of course they can still kill, as i have read about, but no projectile definitely makes the minimum safe distance smaller
Perhaps I wasn't clear. In order to fire blanks they need real firearms. Even blanks can kill. There is definitely a safe distance to ammunition, live or blank. Blank ammunition doesn't go very far.
I wonder if this was an exception or if sets are accidents waiting to happen? So many movies made with big stunts, guns ammo and explosions and so few fatalities. I remember when John Landis got taken to court for wrongful deaths on the set of Twilight Zone. Can't recall if he was found guilty
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@antipodean said in Alec Baldwin:
@kiwiwomble said in Alec Baldwin:
@antipodean as ive said, i was under the impression a prop gun was different to a real gun...hense the use of the name prop gun rather than...gun
of course they can still kill, as i have read about, but no projectile definitely makes the minimum safe distance smaller
Perhaps I wasn't clear. In order to fire blanks they need real firearms. Even blanks can kill. There is definitely a safe distance to ammunition, live or blank. Blank ammunition doesn't go very far.
i get what youre saying, no confusion, but i was saying i thought (past tense) that because they use the term "prop gun" it was different, perhaps with some sort of additional safety measures to stop the use of live ammo
that blanks AND live ammo could be used in a "gun" but that ONLY blanks (not live ammo) could be used in a "prop gun", i have obviously learnt differently, and ive seen loads of articles with similar headlines i i have faith i was not the only one under this misunderstanding
I guess this explains why there were those guidelines about never bringing live ammo onto set
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@hooroo said in Alec Baldwin:
@antipodean said in Alec Baldwin:
@kiwiwomble said in Alec Baldwin:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Alec Baldwin:
When you think about all the millions of films, TV shows, skits, videos etc etc made that involve people shooting or killing each other it must take a special level of incompetence for this to happen. If even the cheapest, shittiest independent films can keep people safe then this should never happen on a decent budget Hollywood production. I mean it's a Western ffs. It's like them not having climbing safety experts involved in the making of Cliffhanger.
i think thats largely why i assumed films would only use prop guns (not real ones as i have learnt) and blanks, i felt people were too stupid to have real guns and ammo around and for this to mot be more common
A gun that can fire blanks can fire live ammunition. Blanks can kill - they have a minimum safe distance.
Yeah it would get a bit expensy in the military if they needed an whole duplicate blanks weapons armoury for training exercises.
I have to say once again i thought they did, always see some sort of coloured end to the barrels, at least thought they were a modified "real" weapon
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@kiwiwomble said in Alec Baldwin:
@antipodean said in Alec Baldwin:
@kiwiwomble said in Alec Baldwin:
@antipodean as ive said, i was under the impression a prop gun was different to a real gun...hense the use of the name prop gun rather than...gun
of course they can still kill, as i have read about, but no projectile definitely makes the minimum safe distance smaller
Perhaps I wasn't clear. In order to fire blanks they need real firearms. Even blanks can kill. There is definitely a safe distance to ammunition, live or blank. Blank ammunition doesn't go very far.
i get what youre saying, no confusion, but i was saying i thought (past tense) that because they use the term "prop gun" it was different, perhaps with some sort of additional safety measures to stop the use of live ammo
that blanks AND live ammo could be used in a "gun" but that ONLY blanks (not live ammo) could be used in a "prop gun", i have obviously learnt differently, and ive seen loads of articles with similar headlines i i have faith i was not the only one under this misunderstanding
I guess this explains why there were those guidelines about never bringing live ammo onto set
I think it's the usual poor journalism. "Prop gun"has appeared everywhere. If someone had accidentally been stabbed or hurt by a knife on set would it be referred to as a "prop knife"?
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@rancid-schnitzel yeah, its so hard to know, i mean there are prop swords/knives, rubber, retracting, blunt etc which i guess propagates the idea that that there would be have the equivalent for guns
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@kiwiwomble said in Alec Baldwin:
@hooroo said in Alec Baldwin:
@antipodean said in Alec Baldwin:
@kiwiwomble said in Alec Baldwin:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Alec Baldwin:
When you think about all the millions of films, TV shows, skits, videos etc etc made that involve people shooting or killing each other it must take a special level of incompetence for this to happen. If even the cheapest, shittiest independent films can keep people safe then this should never happen on a decent budget Hollywood production. I mean it's a Western ffs. It's like them not having climbing safety experts involved in the making of Cliffhanger.
i think thats largely why i assumed films would only use prop guns (not real ones as i have learnt) and blanks, i felt people were too stupid to have real guns and ammo around and for this to mot be more common
A gun that can fire blanks can fire live ammunition. Blanks can kill - they have a minimum safe distance.
Yeah it would get a bit expensy in the military if they needed an whole duplicate blanks weapons armoury for training exercises.
I have to say once again i thought they did, always see some sort of coloured end to the barrels, at least thought they were a modified "real" weapon
That red thing is called a flash suppressor that essentially screws in the end of the barrel and makes them safer to fire blanks as it exits around that a bit more dissipating the energy. You need to take that off for live ammo or you get an "inconvenience"
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@kiwiwomble said in Alec Baldwin:
@hooroo said in Alec Baldwin:
@antipodean said in Alec Baldwin:
@kiwiwomble said in Alec Baldwin:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Alec Baldwin:
When you think about all the millions of films, TV shows, skits, videos etc etc made that involve people shooting or killing each other it must take a special level of incompetence for this to happen. If even the cheapest, shittiest independent films can keep people safe then this should never happen on a decent budget Hollywood production. I mean it's a Western ffs. It's like them not having climbing safety experts involved in the making of Cliffhanger.
i think thats largely why i assumed films would only use prop guns (not real ones as i have learnt) and blanks, i felt people were too stupid to have real guns and ammo around and for this to mot be more common
A gun that can fire blanks can fire live ammunition. Blanks can kill - they have a minimum safe distance.
Yeah it would get a bit expensy in the military if they needed an whole duplicate blanks weapons armoury for training exercises.
I have to say once again i thought they did, always see some sort of coloured end to the barrels, at least thought they were a modified "real" weapon
Yes. Blank firing attachments either come in something you add to a live barrel or are replacement barrels. Not the entire weapon system (receiver, etc.) You can still fire live ammunition through a barrel designed for blanks only. It's incredibly dangerous and hence why anyone remotely competent never creates a situation where the two can be mixed.
I still recall verbatim the warning issued to participants when leaving a range prior to their declaration and inspection.
If what we read is true about this incident, she was grossly blasé and incompetent.
