Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Andrew Little saying this morning that we need to start focussing on hospitalisation numbers instead of infections...
Such forward thinking! Lil' ol' NZ eh, leading the way!
Would you have preferred he did it a little earlier when the hospitalisations rate was at 10%? Wed have been in some newly formed Level 8. Compulsory biosuits. Etc.
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Andrew Little saying this morning that we need to start focussing on hospitalisation numbers instead of infections...
Such forward thinking! Lil' ol' NZ eh, leading the way!
Would you have preferred he did it a little earlier when the hospitalisations rate was at 10%? Wed have been in some newly formed Level 8. Compulsory biosuits. Etc.
I would have preferred that he spent the last 18 months increasing our ICU capacity, instead we have the PM saying we have enough.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat and right here is part of the problem...sure cherry picking from longer press conferences, but....
Who are these people?
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Andrew Little saying this morning that we need to start focussing on hospitalisation numbers instead of infections...
Such forward thinking! Lil' ol' NZ eh, leading the way!
Would you have preferred he did it a little earlier when the hospitalisations rate was at 10%? Wed have been in some newly formed Level 8. Compulsory biosuits. Etc.
I would have preferred that he spent the last 18 months increasing our ICU capacity, instead we have the PM saying we have enough.
They have been. Check some statements from Little about the work done in that area over the past 18 months. It isn't ICU buildings and white elephants but transformation of existing infrastructure and training.
It's the messaging and panicky advice that is the issue not the beds (post vax)
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@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
and the economy is going absolute gangbusters.
Normally a sure-fire indication that a major economic crash is just around the corner.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Andrew Little saying this morning that we need to start focussing on hospitalisation numbers instead of infections...
Such forward thinking! Lil' ol' NZ eh, leading the way!
Would you have preferred he did it a little earlier when the hospitalisations rate was at 10%? Wed have been in some newly formed Level 8. Compulsory biosuits. Etc.
I would have preferred that he spent the last 18 months increasing our ICU capacity, instead we have the PM saying we have enough.
They have been. Check some statements from Little about the work done in that area over the past 18 months. It isn't ICU buildings and white elephants but transformation of existing infrastructure and training.
It's the messaging and panicky advice that is the issue not the beds (post vax)
How many more ICU Nurses/staff do we have from 2020? How many more ventilators (From memory it was increased once by a couple of hundred, with no staff to use them).
Were health workers paid more to retain staff and poach from overseas (like Oz did) - hint, the answer is no.
What exactly has he done in the last 18 months?
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@kirwan ICU Capacity has roughly doubled. From fuck all to not enough to cope with a pandemic.
Having said that apparently global best practice is ICU should normally be at 80% - This is apparently how you work out how many ICU beds you need. NZ normally sits in the mid 80's so a bit under serviced but not massively.
The DHB's have been training nurses from normal wards in how to ventilate and do other stuff necessary to provide high dependency care to COVID patients allowing ICU nurses to do 'other stuff'. Again this is based from experience in UK and elsewhere where they adopted the same procedures and they worked. Covid patients do not need the same level of care apparently as a 'normal' ICU patient.
This means that they health system is geared up to handle around 600 high dependency patients at a pinch. At any time there are normally around 240 ICU patients in NZ so we have roughly 350 beds available for Covid patients.
Is that enough? Well not if your name is Michael Baker or any of the other professional doom'n'gloomers but its all down to the maths.
Clearly it is not ideal and would require moving patients around the country and would impact on other care. Also questions about how long it could be sustained. However you'd like to think that with current vaccination levels it's enough.
The failure to keep MIQ spaces open for medical staff was fucking stupid as was allowing DHB's to effectively compete against each other for spots in MIQ. Both those have been addressed now long after the horse has bolted.
However in terms of the other measures taken to increase capacity I think the DHB's have done a pretty good job. Given you can't magic the physical infrastructure from nowhere
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Andrew Little saying this morning that we need to start focussing on hospitalisation numbers instead of infections...
Such forward thinking! Lil' ol' NZ eh, leading the way!
Would you have preferred he did it a little earlier when the hospitalisations rate was at 10%? Wed have been in some newly formed Level 8. Compulsory biosuits. Etc.
I would have preferred that he spent the last 18 months increasing our ICU capacity, instead we have the PM saying we have enough.
They have been. Check some statements from Little about the work done in that area over the past 18 months. It isn't ICU buildings and white elephants but transformation of existing infrastructure and training.
It's the messaging and panicky advice that is the issue not the beds (post vax)
How many more ICU Nurses/staff do we have from 2020? How many more ventilators (From memory it was increased once by a couple of hundred, with no staff to use them).
Were health workers paid more to retain staff and poach from overseas (like Oz did) - hint, the answer is no.
What exactly has he done in the last 18 months?
I'm not looking for an argument but I did hear an interview a few weeks back where all of this and ore was asked. He had good explanations around the planning and what had been done. I'm not saying it was likely perfect but it did surprise me how little of the info had previously reached the public and how little had been picked up on by the media.
I think you ae looking for answers to YOUR solution not the one that was decided on. -
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The big issue coming is the certification app.
I suspect its release is going to cause big headaches around not aligning with timing of other promises then the almost guaranteed bugs and user problems.They make it pretty easy to show that your vaccinated by following the text link. I was pleasantly surprised at the ease of it
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@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The big issue coming is the certification app.
I suspect its release is going to cause big headaches around not aligning with timing of other promises then the almost guaranteed bugs and user problems.They make it pretty easy to show that your vaccinated by following the text link. I was pleasantly surprised at the ease of it
But isn't there an app with a QR code to be used as the main proof?
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The big issue coming is the certification app.
I suspect its release is going to cause big headaches around not aligning with timing of other promises then the almost guaranteed bugs and user problems.They make it pretty easy to show that your vaccinated by following the text link. I was pleasantly surprised at the ease of it
But isn't there an app with a QR code to be used as the main proof?
Sorry, yes. Just saying that if you need to show you are fully vaxed, there is a temporary solution in place currently
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@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The big issue coming is the certification app.
I suspect its release is going to cause big headaches around not aligning with timing of other promises then the almost guaranteed bugs and user problems.They make it pretty easy to show that your vaccinated by following the text link. I was pleasantly surprised at the ease of it
But isn't there an app with a QR code to be used as the main proof?
Sorry, yes. Just saying that if you need to show you are fully vaxed, there is a temporary solution in place currently
Yep. I just think that when the app becomes the passport to bars/restaurants/concerts/travel etc the desire to use it will slam its capabilty and problems will arise.
Already I suspect that Auckland is being delayed in steps because the app isn't ready. -
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Drove past a whole bunch on them on bikes. More than few had Trump T shirts on. What a bunch of troublemaking fluffybunnies.
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Anyone know anything about the Maori setting up their own blockade at Te Hana?
Can't see anything online but have had calls from workers saying that they can't get through. No problem with the police (they all have exemptions), but this was something else.