The State of the Game
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@kiwiwomble said in The State of the Game:
@mariner4life said in The State of the Game:
@kiwiwomble said in The State of the Game:
these games that are effectively friendlies
Ban.
This.
fluffybunny.i came here for a god time...not a long time...peace
In true covid19 style, pivot and move forward....
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@duluth said in The State of the Game:
I think the TMO should be responsible for deciding the sanction. Most of the time taken up is by the ref and the TMO talking in code and/or the TMO trying to convince the ref.
That negotiation is farcical. Just hand over responsibility and get it over with.Just explaining this a bit better. Here are things wrong with the process currently
- The length of the negotiation between the TMO, Ref & 'Assistant Refs'
- The code they speak with (TMO:'I just want you to watch this angle again and consider the point of contact' etc)
- Players trying to influence the process as it happens
- The fact the on field officials are watching on the big screen and the TMO has a TV inches in front of him. Often it just gets sent to the TMO anyway because he has a better view
- The big screen is shown to the crowd and the panto booing starts
By allowing the TMO to make the call one person is responsible. His career, his livelihood depends on being accurate. No sharing of blame.
The crowd does not need to see a replay until the decision is made. They should have no influence
There's no point the players complaining to the ref. He didn't make the call
A time limit could be applied because the process is simpler
Because of the head injury concern the interjections aren't going anywhere. This is about as simple, and therefore as quick, as you can make it.
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Captain's challenge - you get 1 per half, right or wrong. That's it. Maximum of 3 angles replayed in real time for the onfield sanction and NOT shown on the big screen. Fucking crowds don't know the Laws anyway; at one point the Irish were hollering for a knock on that an AB player quite clearly knocked back.
@Duluth makes a great point about protecting the head and the legal issues World Rugby need to address in light of that, so I propose a post-match Judicial review as per normal, but with a focus on all tackles.
Any Offence not dealt with onfield to be judged by the high tackle framework and sanction as follows:
- Red card = appropriate sanction according to the Judicial framework already in place
- 2 x YC in the same game is automatic 1 game ban
- Yellow card = warning carries through to next post-match review. If you go YC 2 weeks in a row and it isn't picked up, goneskis. if you keep your nose clean, it expires, and has nothing to do with onfield cards.
Or something.
P.S. All players receiving high tackles are required to have an HIA. No exceptions. If we're actually protecting the head, this should be compulsory For The Good Of Player Welfare.
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@duluth said in The State of the Game:
@mariner4life said in The State of the Game:
There's some interpretation shit i hate too, but my main fucking deal is the TMO and the reffing "team" grinding the game to a halt.
I think the interruptions are here to stay (because of head injuries and legal issues if they aren't strict on it)
If that's the case, then we need a better processA stricter limit on the types of general play incidents that the TMO can interject on
I think the TMO should be responsible for deciding the sanction. Most of the time taken up is by the ref and the TMO talking in code and/or the TMO trying to convince the ref.
That negotiation is farcical. Just hand over responsibility and get it over with.I think they should just put it up on the big screen, show each angle a maximum of twice, the on field ref makes the decision.
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If the on-field ref is someone similar to Jono Bredin, I'd like the TMO to take the decision. But if the TMO is someone like Jono Bredin, I'd prefer the on-field ref to take the decision.
In other words, some officials are so bad that it is actually a good thing that they discuss an incident with each other and then maybe the correct decision will be made.
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World Rugby’s constant tinkering with the Laws, often different in different hemispheres at different times, is a major factor in the differences in interpretation and censure.
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@nepia said in The State of the Game:
@duluth said in The State of the Game:
@mariner4life said in The State of the Game:
There's some interpretation shit i hate too, but my main fucking deal is the TMO and the reffing "team" grinding the game to a halt.
I think the interruptions are here to stay (because of head injuries and legal issues if they aren't strict on it)
If that's the case, then we need a better processA stricter limit on the types of general play incidents that the TMO can interject on
I think the TMO should be responsible for deciding the sanction. Most of the time taken up is by the ref and the TMO talking in code and/or the TMO trying to convince the ref.
That negotiation is farcical. Just hand over responsibility and get it over with.I think they should just put it up on the big screen, show each angle a maximum of twice, the on field ref makes the decision.
Agree Nepia, TMO should only say have a look and then shut up, and not make the decision. The Ref is the ONLY abjucator of the laws of the game while is being played.
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No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
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@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
Where was that screened, Pirate TV?
The TMO and ref thought it was a shot to the head.
The NZ commentators and NZ supporters didn’t.
Losing or winning wasn’t determined by that decision.
Move on.
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@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
The ref has an excuse, he can't see everything and gets one look. The TMO looks numerous times and still screws up
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@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
The ref has an excuse, he can't see everything and gets one look. The TMO looks numerous times and still screws up
The ref is watching the same replays.
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@mikethesnow said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
Where was that screened, Pirate TV?
The TMO and ref thought it was a shot to the head.
The NZ commentators and NZ supporters didn’t.
Losing or winning wasn’t determined by that decision.
Did anyone say it was?
Move on.
No, I'd rather the soccer mums who think that's acceptable fuck off and stop ruining my sport.
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@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
The ref has an excuse, he can't see everything and gets one look. The TMO looks numerous times and still screws up
The ref is watching the same replays.
Yeah, I meant he gets one initial look. But after that he is just as culpable as the others
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@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@mikethesnow said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
Where was that screened, Pirate TV?
The TMO and ref thought it was a shot to the head.
The NZ commentators and NZ supporters didn’t.
Losing or winning wasn’t determined by that decision.
Did anyone say it was?
Move on.
No, I'd rather the soccer mums who think that's acceptable fuck off and stop ruining my sport.
It was a joke. I don't appreciate Pearce's constant committee based style. Just lacks feels for flowing rugby. Whatever happened to the great refs being neither seen or heard?
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@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
The ref has an excuse, he can't see everything and gets one look. The TMO looks numerous times and still screws up
The ref is watching the same replays.
Yeah, I meant he gets one initial look. But after that he is just as culpable as the others
Players need to realise that any contact with the head is 9 times out of 10 going to result in a YC at least regardless of intent.
Learn to tackle differently or pay the consequences.
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@mikethesnow said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
The ref has an excuse, he can't see everything and gets one look. The TMO looks numerous times and still screws up
The ref is watching the same replays.
Yeah, I meant he gets one initial look. But after that he is just as culpable as the others
Players need to realise that any contact with the head is 9 times out of 10 going to result in a YC at least regardless of intent.
Learn to tackle differently or pay the consequences.
I don't disagree that it is the way things are now. Do you think there was any meaningful contact with the head? I don't
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@mikethesnow said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
The ref has an excuse, he can't see everything and gets one look. The TMO looks numerous times and still screws up
The ref is watching the same replays.
Yeah, I meant he gets one initial look. But after that he is just as culpable as the others
Players need to realise that any contact with the head is 9 times out of 10 going to result in a YC at least regardless of intent.
Learn to tackle differently or pay the consequences.
That position is ridiculous. It achieves nothing other than introducing a lottery and making a farce of the game.
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@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@mikethesnow said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
The ref has an excuse, he can't see everything and gets one look. The TMO looks numerous times and still screws up
The ref is watching the same replays.
Yeah, I meant he gets one initial look. But after that he is just as culpable as the others
Players need to realise that any contact with the head is 9 times out of 10 going to result in a YC at least regardless of intent.
Learn to tackle differently or pay the consequences.
That position is ridiculous. It achieves nothing other than introducing a lottery and making a farce of the game.
I agree. It's a fast game. Taylor's hand barely hit him and it only looks worse when watched frame by frame
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@mikethesnow said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
The ref has an excuse, he can't see everything and gets one look. The TMO looks numerous times and still screws up
The ref is watching the same replays.
Yeah, I meant he gets one initial look. But after that he is just as culpable as the others
Players need to realise that any contact with the head is 9 times out of 10 going to result in a YC at least regardless of intent.
Learn to tackle differently or pay the consequences.
I agree.
But at the same time, if we are going down this road with onfield decisions, let's stop the half baked theatre of reducing sentences at judiciary.
If the goal is to punish/educate players, that is.
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@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@mikethesnow said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
@canefan said in The State of the Game:
@antipodean said in The State of the Game:
No amount of tinkering prevents this sort of tragedy
That's a TMO who should lose his job and a ref who should be sent to park football.
The ref has an excuse, he can't see everything and gets one look. The TMO looks numerous times and still screws up
The ref is watching the same replays.
Yeah, I meant he gets one initial look. But after that he is just as culpable as the others
Players need to realise that any contact with the head is 9 times out of 10 going to result in a YC at least regardless of intent.
Learn to tackle differently or pay the consequences.
That position is ridiculous. It achieves nothing other than introducing a lottery and making a farce of the game.
I agree. It's a fast game. Taylor's hand barely hit him and it only looks worse when watched frame by frame
It's certainly at the soft end of the spectrum and won't have done Sexton any harm - it didn't have any effect on him talking.
But, Taylor has gone high attempting to make a dominant tackle and hit a first five hard. He had time to go lower - achieve the same result without risking the contact to the head. So I don't really mind it. And it certainly didn't surprise me.
