Missing EgyptAir plane - Paris to Cairo
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<p>they probably have to turn them off during take off anyway, so would need to remember to turn them back on!</p>
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<p>There is definitely a gap between perception & reality here. Maybe the technology which we have available simply isn't as good as what we think it is.</p>
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<p>Remember that movie enemy of the state? If that technology was even close to available, then all these planes would be found within an hour of disappearance.</p>
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<p>No the technology exists alright..... it is just hard to make that technology work after being exposed to a high velocity explosion.. but when they manage that.. it is hard to make it indestructible and buoyant. So I am sure the flight data is all safe and sound..... at the bottom of the Med.</p>
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<p>As soon as you figure out how to make your iPhone explosion proof and buoyant... patent that bastard!</p> -
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<p>Well if the black box is strong enough to withstand all that, why can't it have a transmitting device in it ... I guess thats my point.</p>
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<p>Duct tape an iphone to the inside of it. Job done.</p>
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<p>It does have a transmitting device.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_locator_beacon'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_locator_beacon</a></p>
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<p>However I am sure your plan would work though, if there were plenty of cell phone towers in the middle of the ocean.... and below it.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MajorRage" data-cid="581048" data-time="1463732982"><p>Well if the black box is strong enough to withstand all that, why can't it have a transmitting device in it ... I guess thats my point.<br>
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Duct tape an iphone to the inside of it. Job done.</p></blockquote>
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<p>they should really build loads of stuff out of it, cars, houses etc.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="581050" data-time="1463733168"><p>It does have a transmitting device.<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_locator_beacon">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_locator_beacon</a><br><br><br>
However I am sure your plan would work though, if there were plenty of cell phone towers in the middle of the ocean.... and below it.</p></blockquote>
GPS still works as it uses satellite not a cell phone tower. Like MR I am surprised they can't use GPS to locate planes, but I'm sure smarter people then myself could explain. -
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<p>GPS still works as it uses satellite not a cell phone tower. Like MR I am surprised they can't use GPS to locate planes, but I'm sure smarter people then myself could explain.</p>
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<p>GPS requires line of sight. Hard from the bottom of the ocean. Hence my comment about buoyancy or cell towers under the ocean...</p> -
<p>I'm obviously not deadly serious about the iPhone and duct tape, as I'm sure all aware.</p>
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<p>The original point still stands though. The fact they don't have technology to track a plane, not a phone, a farking plane, the second it goes missing off radar baffles me.</p>
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<p>The where's my iPhone app is just an example of why I'm baffled.</p> -
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<p>I'm obviously not deadly serious about the iPhone and duct tape, as I'm sure all aware.</p>
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<p>The original point still stands though. The fact they don't have technology to track a plane, not a phone, a farking plane, the second it goes missing off radar baffles me.</p>
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<p>The where's my iPhone app is just an example of why I'm baffled.</p>
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<p>I have explained why.</p> -
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<p>GPS may not work from the bottom of the ocean but it will work up to that point giving searchers a good starting point.</p>
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<p>That is what they do use though isnt it?... hence the point the plane disappears.</p>
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<p>I think plane transponders are linked to GPS.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="581099" data-time="1463739611"><p>That is what they do use though isnt it?... hence the point the plane disappears.<br><br>
I think plane transponders are linked to GPS.</p></blockquote>
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I'm confused. Are you saying that they do use something like GPS tracking and therefore they know where this plane stopped providing signals?<br>
From the bits I have read the tracking systems that are used only give very sporadic tracking and then it's down to calculations of a vast area. -
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<p>I'm confused. Are you saying that they do use something like GPS tracking and therefore they know where this plane stopped providing signals?<br>
From the bits I have read the tracking systems that are used only give very sporadic tracking and then it's down to calculations of a vast area.</p>
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<p>Can you provide a link to those 'bits'?</p> -
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I'm confused. Are you saying that they do use something like GPS tracking and therefore they know where this plane stopped providing signals?<br>
From the bits I have read the tracking systems that are used only give very sporadic tracking and then it's down to calculations of a vast area.</p></blockquote>I thought this was accepted as fact. Otherwise why were the recovery teams combing the ocean instead of going straight to the point where the plane hit the water? -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="581106" data-time="1463741772"><p>Can you provide a link to those 'bits'?</p></blockquote>
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I thought they were in this thread. <br><br>
I'm not disputing. I just don't understand your previous comment.<br>
Do you mean that most planes currently use systems that track them like GPS until the point that they disintegrate or sink into the sea? From what I read back in the thread even the system described only gave sporadic positioning. <br>
What others were suggesting in a light way was that a basic car Nav type device, if tracked, would at least provide more of a clue to searchers than they obviously currently use. -
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<p>I thought they were in this thread.<br><br>
I'm not disputing. I just don't understand your previous comment.<br>
Do you mean that most planes currently use systems that track them like GPS until the point that they disintegrate or sink into the sea? From what I read back in the thread even the system described only gave sporadic positioning.<br>
What others were suggesting in a light way was that a basic car Nav type device, if tracked, would at least provide more of a clue to searchers than they obviously currently use.</p>
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<p>They track planes down to the meter. Right until they disappear, that does not equate to knowing where they crashed. You are still looking at huge search areas.</p> -
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<p>I thought this was accepted as fact. Otherwise why were the recovery teams combing the ocean instead of going straight to the point where the plane hit the water?</p>
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<p>And how would they know where the plane hit the water? They only know where the signals stopped being sent.</p> -
OK I think I get where you are coming from. Are you talking about the scenario where a plane breaks up or explodes in mid air? If so, I understand what you are saying. <br>
There is also the scenario where a plane has mech failure and crashes. From what that posted article says they don't know that point to the metre. <br>
The Malaysian airlines situation shows that there is only calculation and guesswork involved as they have no tracking for ages before it apparently crashed.