Orlando shooting + terrorism thread
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<p>Oh man, what a missed opportunity to really fk with some heads!</p>
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<p>@ISIS1 - <span style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;">O people! Reflect on the Quran and comprehend its verses. It is known that a</span> man may lay with a man and still be righteous for Allah loveth all #ISISPride #AllahuAkhbar</p>
<p>* MASS RETWEETS * </p>
<p>@Allah1234 - @BoomSquad I love you, you look so hot in your bomb vest #ISISPride</p>
<p>@BoomSquad - @Allah1234 I want your beard between my legs tonight #ISISPride</p>
<p>@ISIS4evs - I have a confession, my wife is really my man slave but you cant tell because of his Burqa #ISISPride</p>
<p>@I5i5b1yatches - Disco night at mine! Bring Rollerskates! #ISISPride</p>
<p>@Mohumit - @I5i5b1yatches I'll bring the viagra #AllNightLong #ISISPride</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="gollum" data-cid="588739" data-time="1466066683"><p>102 followers? Isn't that a bit rubbish? I'd be more ashamed of that than of the gay porn stuff...</p></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="gollum" data-cid="588739" data-time="1466066683"><p>102 followers? Isn't that a bit rubbish? I'd be more ashamed of that than of the gay porn stuff...</p></blockquote>To be fair many of their followers are just passing through on the way to the afterlife
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<p>For all those whiners complaining about threads discussing Islamic attacks and terrorism.. there is an easy answer. Don't go into them.</p>
<p>Even better.. dont post in them.</p>
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<p>Is the topic label to confusing for you? Is it to difficult for you to not click on a link for thread you have no interest in?</p>
<p>I must be blessed as when I see topic in off topic that i think are pointless and rather inane.. I just dont post in them, or read them.</p>
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<p>102 followers? Isn't that a bit rubbish? I'd be more ashamed of that than of the gay porn stuff...</p>
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<p>To be fair many of their followers are just passing through on the way to the afterlife</p>
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<p>Especially as 72 of them will be the virgins</p>
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<p>Might be an idea for the hacker to post a picture of Susan Boyle with the title: No 1of 72</p> -
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<p>Makes you question wether it was actually hacked.. or just created by the hacker.</p>
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<p>Also makes you think maybe the true scale of the threat does not merit the all ecompassing "we must do something, even if it destroys basic human rights!!" that's being pushed by interest groups & the more "panicy" in society. </p>
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<p>A huge chunk of the NRA defending guns is the idea that millions of sleeper Islamists are about to declare war in the US. Ditto Trumps muslim ban. Or no liquids on flights. Yet the actual scale of what has happened in the West since 9/11 points to the same thing that level of Twitter followers points to. </p> -
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<p>Also makes you think maybe the true scale of the threat does not merit the all ecompassing "we must do something, even if it destroys basic human rights!!" that's being pushed by interest groups & the more "panicy" in society. </p>
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<p>A huge chunk of the NRA defending guns is the idea that millions of sleeper Islamists are about to declare war in the US. Ditto Trumps muslim ban. Or no liquids on flights. Yet the actual scale of what has happened in the West since 9/11 points to the same thing that level of Twitter followers points to. </p>
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<p>I agree. The idea of limiting freedoms because of the ISIS threat has never made any real sense to me. To combat bad ideas, you contest that idea, to oppose people who want to limit your freedom, you dont voluntarily limit your freedom.</p>
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<p>That and most of things done under terrorism laws.. have fuck all to do with terrorism.</p> -
<p>Why would they alter the transcript? </p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/06/20/public-outcry-forces-obamas-hand-uncensored-orlando-transcripts-released/'>http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/06/20/public-outcry-forces-obamas-hand-uncensored-orlando-transcripts-released/</a></p>
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<p>What is wrong with admitting that he said Allah and not God?</p> -
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<p>Why would they alter the transcript? </p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/06/20/public-outcry-forces-obamas-hand-uncensored-orlando-transcripts-released/'>http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/06/20/public-outcry-forces-obamas-hand-uncensored-orlando-transcripts-released/</a></p>
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<p>What is wrong with admitting that he said Allah and not God?</p>
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<p>I've not seen a reasonable defence. It has been labeled an error of judgment and an apology was apparently issued.</p>
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<p>I've not seen a reasonable defence. It has been labeled an error of judgment and an apology was apparently issued.</p>
<p>Very weak and unconvincing.</p>
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<p>Yet they still have not released the actual transcript.</p>
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<p>I have to say, I'm rather dubious about this story:</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11661739'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11661739</a></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">The man added: "He said the Muslim religion is a beautiful, beautiful religion, where everything is about love. Everybody is welcome. Gay, trans, bisexual... everybody.
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<p style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Calibri, Candara, Segoe, 'Segoe UI', Optima, Arial, sans-serif;">Looks like some sort of false Islam PR campaign to me. Hardly seems in synch with the above transcript.</p> -
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/81376652/man-sentenced-for-islamic-state-propaganda'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/81376652/man-sentenced-for-islamic-state-propaganda</a></p>
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<p>Justice Collins has given this second fucker home detention.</p>
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<p>I would have thought he would be high on the list of people who would benefit substantially from getting a sharp dose of the reality of being in prison.</p>
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<p>Two years there and then an exit interview to find out what he'd learned.</p> -
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/81376652/man-sentenced-for-islamic-state-propaganda'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/81376652/man-sentenced-for-islamic-state-propaganda</a></p>
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<p>Justice Collins has given this second fucker home detention.</p>
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<p>I would have thought he would be high on the list of people who would benefit substantially from getting a sharp dose of the reality of being in prison.</p>
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<p>Two years there and then an exit interview to find out what he'd learned.</p>
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<p>Home detention is BS. He needs to be sent down, not with any fellow sympathisers either, he should need to room with someone like this guy</p>
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<p>Yet they still have not released the actual transcript.</p>
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<p>This sort of nonsense is what makes people very suspicious of Islamic Apologists like Obama</p>
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<p>I don't get the logic for censoring it. I understand they are trying to make this thing more about crazy people than Islam, but why go to these lengths? It's not like his ISIS sympathies were a secret.</p>
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<p>The most ridiculous thing about these types of events is the immediate "fear of reprisals" which never occur. You have to wonder sometimes if these self-proclaimed elites have ever spent a second outside their ivory towers.</p> -
<p>And now his former gay lover has admitted that he has HIV & told Omar. Omar apparently had a thing for latino guys. Dated 2. Thought he got HIV off one & went a bit shooty....</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.vox.com/2016/6/22/12002900/orlando-omar-mateen-lover-gay-latinos-hate-crime'>http://www.vox.com/2016/6/22/12002900/orlando-omar-mateen-lover-gay-latinos-hate-crime</a></p>
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<p>Univision aired a <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.univision.com/univision-news/united-states/orlando-massacre-was-revenge-not-terrorism-says-man-who-claims-he-was-gunmans-lover'>shocking interview</a> on Tuesday with a man who claims that <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.vox.com/2016/6/12/11911616/pulse-gay-nightclub-shooting-in-orlando-what-we-know'>Orlando shooter</a> Omar Mateen was his lover for two months — and that Mateen’s deadly rampage was specifically targeted at gay Latinos.</p>
<p>The man, who called himself "Miguel," spoke on condition of anonymity and had his voice and appearance altered for an exclusive interview with Univision Noticias anchor Maria Elena Salinas, conducted in both English and Spanish.</p>
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<p>Miguel told Salinas that he met Mateen on the gay dating app Grindr, and that after that they became "friends with benefits" for two months. He said Mateen was "100 percent gay," and that his wife knew.</p>
<p>Miguel said the FBI interviewed him three times about his relationship with Mateen. Univision wasn’t able to independently verify Miguel’s story, but said the FBI did confirm having met with him. Miguel also claimed that surveillance footage from the hotel he and Mateen stayed at together would prove that Mateen was with him.</p>
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<p>Miguel said he believes Mateen’s shooting spree that killed 49 people wasn’t an act of terrorism but rather an act of "revenge" against gay Latino men.</p>
<p>"He adored Latinos, gay Latinos, with brown skin — but he felt rejected," Miguel said. "He felt used by them. There were moments in the Pulse nightclub that made him feel really bad. Guys used him. That really affected him. I believe this crazy, horrible thing he did — that was revenge."</p>
<p>Miguel said the hatred of Puerto Ricans in particular was because Mateen believed he may have been infected with HIV during a threesome with two Puerto Rican men. He’d had a negative HIV test, but it was too soon to know if he’d gotten HIV from that encounter in particular, because it takes several months for antibodies to form.</p>
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<p>Miguel said he was shocked by Mateen’s actions because he knew Mateen to be a "very sweet guy" <em><strong>who loved to be cuddled,</strong></em> and who talked about how Islam is a religion of love. This description is a striking contrast with the <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.vox.com/2016/6/14/11922576/orlando-shooting-omar-mateen-gun-domestic-violence'>violent, volatile man</a> others have said Mateen was, and with Mateen’s stated loyalty to ISIS.</p>
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<p>Miguel speculated that Mateen may have pledged loyalty to ISIS because he wanted to "die a hero," and because of arguments he had had with his father, Seddique Mateen, over Islam and homosexuality. Miguel said Mateen’s father thought gay people were "the devil" and "have to die" — sentiments that were included in a<strong> </strong>Facebook video statement by Seddique Mateen the day after the shooting. Miguel also said Mateen believed that if his father found out he was gay, he would want Mateen to kill Miguel to "honor" his father and win his forgiveness.</p>
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<p><em><strong>It is still unclear how factual Miguel’s story is.</strong></em> But if his description of Mateen’s motives is accurate, it would be a remarkable twist in the emerging narrative of how and why the worst mass shooting and anti-LGBTQ hate crime in modern US history happened. It would challenge the idea that Mateen was truly motivated by terrorism or allegiance to ISIS. And it would mean that it was no accident the Pulse shooting happened on Latin night — that the attack was a hate crime specifically against gay Latino men.</p>
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<p>So this may not have been quite as Islam-y as BSG / The Donald desperately want it to be.</p>
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<p>Of course HIV & gays in the closet are REALLY not vote winners, nor something we want to speak of. Except Charlie Sheen. But he got it the good way.</p>