Foster, Robertson etc
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@His-Bobness said in Foster:
Politics and Pragmatism
Like the AB performances themselves, at least up to Ellis Park, the NZR administration has been a shuffling, stumbling, conviction-less shambles. The right hand does not not appear to know what the left hand is doing, there is no boardroom game plan and no-one appears to be effectively in charge.
.. They certainly couldn’t make things any worse. Could they?I suspect the question has followed the answer.
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I was never a fan of Foster's appointment from the beginning and the process from the board on how he got the job should come into question. The results have been mixed, below par, and the win record thus far is poor. All that being said, I understand NZRU's position now; it's just as risky to switch Foster. They made their bed with Foster's extension last year.
Nevertheless, here we are now—no point in dwelling on the past. We should get behind the team. I did watch the press conference, and in some ways, you go to give Foster credit for his resilience; that earns some respect in my books. Ryan and Schmidt on board give me some comfort that they can turn it around.
Moving forward, it comes down to the players and selections as the variable that can change the outcomes. Cane is no longer the best No.7 or choice for captain; respect him as a person and his resilience, but we need the best team on the field. Getting that back row sorted is critical, and should be the next shakeup.
Now that the decision is made, I will keep backing the ABs and be weary of falling into the media misinformation and hype. Onwards and upwards!
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Unfortunately.
There's plenty of coaching nous in the mix now between Ryan, Feek, Cron, Strawbridge and now Schmidt..
Fozzie will be the media fluffer and the boys' shoulder to cry on while the assistants create the master plans.
So basically team manager like I suggested before. The coach one tries to keep away from actual coaching.
These are the contracted 7:
Joe Schmidt (backs and overall strategy), Jason Ryan (forwards), Greg Feek (scrum), Scott McLeod (defence), Andrew Strawbridge (skills coach), David Hill (kicking coach), Mike Cron (hands-off advisory role).
In contrast - Hansen had just 3 assistants (Foster, McLeod, Cron)..
Wasn't Mike Cron only brought in as a stop gap due to Covid taking out Feek before ABs-Ireland 1? I didn't realise he had an ongoing advisory role?
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Could the NZR at least improve their coach selection process? More transparency for example. They could even ask ex-coaches for suggestions (not just Hansen and Henry).
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
These are the contracted 7:
Joe Schmidt (backs and overall strategy), Jason Ryan (forwards), Greg Feek (scrum), Scott McLeod (defence), Andrew Strawbridge (skills coach), David Hill (kicking coach), Mike Cron (hands-off advisory role).
In contrast - Hansen had just 3 assistants (Foster, McLeod, Cron)..
Bit of a logjam in the forwards. And overall strategy to Joe? Not that I am complaining but what will Foster actually be in charge of, talking to the media and organising the beer?
senior food safety/inspector, in case of another poisoning event
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Well, shit decision, quelle surprise.
The Aussies are pretty much all injured and just got humped by the Pumas, so we should be able to paper over the cracks a bit more by retaining the Bledisloe. At least Mounga and the young front row started in the win, so should get an extended run.
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Excellent. Another 150 pages of this thread.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Unfortunately.
There's plenty of coaching nous in the mix now between Ryan, Feek, Cron, Strawbridge and now Schmidt..
Fozzie will be the media fluffer and the boys' shoulder to cry on while the assistants create the master plans.
So basically team manager like I suggested before. The coach one tries to keep away from actual coaching.
These are the contracted 7:
Joe Schmidt (backs and overall strategy), Jason Ryan (forwards), Greg Feek (scrum), Scott McLeod (defence), Andrew Strawbridge (skills coach), David Hill (kicking coach), Mike Cron (hands-off advisory role).
Looks like Fozzie won't be doing much coaching which is a positive I suppose. Get rid of McLeod and we may have a chance.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Unfortunately.
There's plenty of coaching nous in the mix now between Ryan, Feek, Cron, Strawbridge and now Schmidt..
Fozzie will be the media fluffer and the boys' shoulder to cry on while the assistants create the master plans.
So basically team manager like I suggested before. The coach one tries to keep away from actual coaching.
These are the contracted 7:
Joe Schmidt (backs and overall strategy), Jason Ryan (forwards), Greg Feek (scrum), Scott McLeod (defence), Andrew Strawbridge (skills coach), David Hill (kicking coach), Mike Cron (hands-off advisory role).
Looks like Fozzie won't be doing much coaching which is a positive I suppose. Get rid of McLeod and we may have a chance.
We don't know McLeod is responsible for the style of defence though. Maybe he is just trying to coach a system he has been told to coach.
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@KiwiMurph Cron is also involved with the Black Ferns, so probably just used as required by all teams.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Unfortunately.
There's plenty of coaching nous in the mix now between Ryan, Feek, Cron, Strawbridge and now Schmidt..
Fozzie will be the media fluffer and the boys' shoulder to cry on while the assistants create the master plans.
So basically team manager like I suggested before. The coach one tries to keep away from actual coaching.
These are the contracted 7:
Joe Schmidt (backs and overall strategy), Jason Ryan (forwards), Greg Feek (scrum), Scott McLeod (defence), Andrew Strawbridge (skills coach), David Hill (kicking coach), Mike Cron (hands-off advisory role).
Looks like Fozzie won't be doing much coaching which is a positive I suppose. Get rid of McLeod and we may have a chance.
We don't know McLeod is responsible for the style of defence though. Maybe he is just trying to coach a system he has been told to coach.
Anything that waters down the influence of the architect of our play over the last 12 to 18 months is a good thing. There was a noticeable shift in our pattern jn Joburg, I hope this continues to evolve
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@His-Bobness great post. You spoil us.
If you were to have the inclination, have a read up about NZRs handling of womens rugby in the past couple of years. That too has ended up in a trouble shooting coach situation drawing on the old hands of Smith and Henry along with some long overdue additions of female coaching assistance.
What we don’t know is if the knowledge and issues are polished turds in the reporting to the board (Robinson’s doing) or if Robinson isn’t being listened to (board with head in the sand)
I suspect Robinson is an arse coverer based on his public behavior recently. He didn’t implement recommendations in the womens game until shit hit the fan and then did the usual trick of diverting attention by calling for another deeper report. -
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Excellent. Another 150 pages of this thread.
A quick summary in case you needed it... :
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Foster should never have been appointed in the first place
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We need to sack Foster and appoint Robertson now
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Robertson wouldn't want to take over after Foster
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Foster will never sack his assistants as they are "family"
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Foster has hung his assistants out to dry by getting rid of them
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Foster is fat
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The players say they support Foster but they are just saying that coz (insert preferred reason here)
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It's going to take some time to turn around Foster's mess and it's silly to say new coach will achieve instant results
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Jason Ryan has achieved miracles in two weeks
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Robertson wouldn't want to take over after Foster anyway and Robertson's too good a coach to want to work with Foster as an Assistant
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NZR have completely lost the plot and Foster should never have been appointed in the first place
Classic Fern thread
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Any excitement in the fact that it is an NZ Board announcement and not a Mark Robinson one? Just saying....
I noticed that. Robinson has f++ked this up so badly the board might have felt they need to step in to fix the mess he has left
And they said Robinson had full support as well.
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@KiwiMurph Cron is also involved with the Black Ferns, so probably just used as required by all teams.
Yep same as Strawbridge etc, they just come into camp and do a bit of work every now and then, they have done it for years, get in kicking coaches etc. I think every pro team does. I know even in Aus Greg Martin used to go down and do kicking with Reds, and many have specialised fitness gurus etc.
Not sure if anyone watched Rugby pod the other night, Parsons and Bryn Hall were saying that teams will watch recordings of games for hours, just to know where to hold their hands when trying to charge down kicks from different players, ie 9 may kick from directly behind a ruck, so you hold hans different to one who kicks from side. They do it for wingers etc in teams they are playing that week, the days of a couple of coaches are well gone.
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@His-Bobness great post. You spoil us.
If you were to have the inclination, have a read up about NZRs handling of womens rugby in the past couple of years. That too has ended up in a trouble shooting coach situation drawing on the old hands of Smith and Henry along with some long overdue additions of female coaching assistance.
What we don’t know is if the knowledge and issues are polished turds in the reporting to the board (Robinson’s doing) or if Robinson isn’t being listened to (board with head in the sand)
I suspect Robinson is an arse coverer based on his public behavior recently. He didn’t implement recommendations in the womens game until shit hit the fan and then did the usual trick of diverting attention by calling for another deeper report.BFs, SANZAR relations, the ABs, Silverlake. The body of work is compelling
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Excellent. Another 150 pages of this thread.
Nothing to see here, let us move on. NZR has "absolute confidence" in Foster.
We don't
