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@Bones good on him. He’s not wrong.
2-3% of the community but perpetrators are 6x more likely to be black community than anything else?
That’s not over represented. In most statistical terms that is dominant.
Forget about being offended, facts are facts. Be part of the solution, not the problem.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew I didn't really hear it properly when I listened, but if that's the point he was trying to make he probably could have worded it and explained it much better.
Maybe he didn't start by caveating things to the required degree, but I thought he was jumped on, TBH, and not given time to explain or expand his point. It was all about how wrong he was and a big effort to avoid talking about the problem.
It’s a double edged problem really. There is the very real issue of him using the term “the black community” which the women quite rightly pointed out was not a single entity.
I thought it diversion. And I get this strange feeling the woman wouldn't have a problem lumping the white community together and calling it "privileged".
Jordan Petersen nailed it some years ago and pointed out that the over representation of young black guys in criminal statistics is a poverty thing and that young black guys are, not coincidentally, over represented in that stat too.
I'm not sure that holds water in the UK. Asian groups (Bangladeshi & Pakistani) have the highest levels of poverty in the UK. link There's also a fair bit of evidence the group with the highest levels of poverty are the white working class.
Just think there's too much running away from the problem (as we saw with Asian grooming gangs) and it isn't going to improve until it's faced.
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@Victor-Meldrew this is where I quite like the (post Corbyn) Lammy.
He owns a lot of the issues, doesn’t shy away. Think he’s got a serious political future ahead of him.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew this is where I quite like the (post Corbyn) Lammy.
He owns a lot of the issues, doesn’t shy away. Think he’s got a serious political future ahead of him.
There's quite a few black MP's speaking out from both sides which is a good thing but often they'll get shouted down because of their political leanings.
Really don't rate Lammy - he's a bloke who swings with the wind and happy to play the race card when he suits him. Yeah, he'll say absent fathers are a key cause of knife crime, but if a white politician or commentator says the same thing, he'll accuse them of white privilege.
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@Victor-Meldrew part 1 - acknowledging the problem.
Part 2 - saying what will get him voted in.
I used to despise him. But think he’s much improved under Starmer.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
Forget about being offended, facts are facts. Be part of the solution, not the problem.
You mean them or me?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew I didn't really hear it properly when I listened, but if that's the point he was trying to make he probably could have worded it and explained it much better.
Maybe he didn't start by caveating things to the required degree, but I thought he was jumped on, TBH, and not given time to explain or expand his point. It was all about how wrong he was and a big effort to avoid talking about the problem.
It’s a double edged problem really. There is the very real issue of him using the term “the black community” which the women quite rightly pointed out was not a single entity.
I thought it diversion. And I get this strange feeling the woman wouldn't have a problem lumping the white community together and calling it "privileged".
I don’t think you can really label such a truth as diversion. Maybe the bloke just didn’t express himself particularly well but then again, he’s gone on TV to state his viewpoint so maybe just get it right - or maybe he felt he did. Either way, for me, no excuse, what he said was pretty dire. As regards the woman, maybe she might have the attitude you mention but we can’t really say.
Jordan Petersen nailed it some years ago and pointed out that the over representation of young black guys in criminal statistics is a poverty thing and that young black guys are, not coincidentally, over represented in that stat too.
I'm not sure that holds water in the UK. Asian groups (Bangladeshi & Pakistani) have the highest levels of poverty in the UK. link There's also a fair bit of evidence the group with the highest levels of poverty are the white working class.
Had a look at the link and immediately thought, lies, damn lies and statistics. Nowhere near enough context. As an example as a counter argument was that in inner London and some northern cities, it is 70% of ethnic minorities in poverty and these are the areas where most of the crime is committed.
Just think there's too much running away from the problem (as we saw with Asian grooming gangs) and it isn't going to improve until it's faced.
Agreed on this one. There is far too much shutting down of discussion because “you can’t say that, it’s racist”. On the other side we do need to call out blanket statements that colour some sections of society all the same.
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I don’t think you can really label such a truth as diversion.
We'll have to differ. I think she was using a truth as a diversion
As an example as a counter argument was that in inner London and some northern cities, it is 70% of ethnic minorities in poverty and these are the areas where most of the crime is committed.
Maybe. But is that relevant when you are looking at crime and poverty levels in the UK overall?
On the other side we do need to call out blanket statements that colour some sections of society all the same.
On a granular level, I agree.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
but I thought he was jumped on, TBH, and not given time to explain or expand his point
Well he was on GMB. He can't have been expecting much less.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
Britain to be the new Zimbabwe.
Nah, money's cheap at the moment. Keep borrowing to invest, keep energy bills low and keep people employed. Difficult decisions can be addressed in a few years time.
We all know it makes sense.
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JUST FUCK OFF BORIS YOU USELESS, PATHETIC C**T
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Pretty dumb to suggest saving £20 is worthwhile when more serious politicians tell us they've found an easy, pain-free fix to the problems caused by a 13-fold increase in wholesale energy prices.
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
JUST FUCK OFF BORIS YOU USELESS, PATHETIC C**T
Have you seen the full quote? Or just the twitter bullshit?
The full quote is about spending 700 mill on the Nuclear plant. He states it's like buying 20 quid kettle which saves you 10 quid one year, then 10 quid the next and so on.
It's a decent comparison to make a point, which the Anti Boris twitter brigade elected to misquote to brew up further hatred.
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@pakman said in British Politics:
Interesting letter.
Gas accounts for nearly 36% of UK electricity generation though, and UK produced gas is priced at the global rate. The authors argue that forcing UK gas produces to sell their products at artificially low prices can be done while maintaining profitability and investment levels in the energy production sector. It's fantasy-land stuff which was all the rage in this country in the '70's and backfired spectacularly.
The only way that can be done is by tighter regulation of industry by government & civil servants and/or windfall profits taxes - the same approach which got us into this mess in the first place.
Dunno what the answer is, but the UK & the EU have got themselves into a real mess and the chickens hatched 10-20 years ago are coming home to roost.
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