All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@His-Bobness Well said. Agree with everything above. The days of NH cashed-up clubs though will soon be a thing of the past I think. The north has it's own problems, notwithstanding the looming energy crisis, and with it the sustainability of the SA clubs in European comps travelling back and forth between Europe & SA. Murmurings already afoot that SA clubs are not happy with the set up..
Back to the ABs. If we are a "ghost ship" adrift in dark and menacing seas, how do we fix the problem of absentee leadership, assuming Foster stays on through to the WC? -
@Jailbreak7 If Foster stays, I think they will need a new captain. Cane is a great warrior, but his confidence is shot and that’s infecting the rest of the squad.
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We drop down to 7th am I right???!!!
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well fuck....definitely dont watch the game on your phone in bed in the early hour of sunday after getting home from watching your club team lose the final and hearing Otago also lost...that was a shit 24 hours
nothing to add that hasn't been said....they just need to do something! new coach...would make a change...actually playing young talent they picked for the squad like sotutu or perofeta might change something....playing people in the strongest position would change something...just do fucking something other than the same guys playing the same way and loosing
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@broughie said in Worst AB Captain:
@Kiwiwomble sure. Is Cane that person?
im not the best game analyst but i dont remember cane popping up with the ball as much as other 7's, im probably wrong but i feel he's doing the tackling that other countries would have their tights forwards doing and so he's not on the tacklers shoulder looking for the ball
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@Kiwiwomble said in Worst AB Captain:
@broughie said in Worst AB Captain:
@Kiwiwomble sure. Is Cane that person?
im not the best game analyst but i dont remember cane popping up with the ball as much as other 7's, im probably wrong but i feel he's doing the tackling that other countries would have their tights forwards doing and so he's not on the tacklers shoulder looking for the ball
If we had more mobile, aggressive props would that take some of the pressure off Cane? It sounds like the Argies really had our number, forced us to do all the work and then pick us off at error time. I wonder which team of a few years ago that reminds me of?
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@nostrildamus I think the lack of work by our props and to a lesser extent, our hooker when ST isnt playing, has been an issue for some time, putting additional load on our locks and forcing our loosies to play differently.
So I guess Saturday would highlight that given we looked better in the first 40 with some busy props and hooker, then we sub them off 4 minutes deep into the 2nd half, and our shape changes, so you could probably argue that it is playing its part.
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@taniwharugby replacing the entire front row after they have only been back out on the paddock 4 mins was peak Fozzie
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
We drop down to 7th am I right???!!!
Lose again to Arg we go to 6th, Lose to Oz we then go to 7th
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@dogmeat That's fairly common. The rationale is that they give the players a few minutes to warm up as they're not using the HT break to do so. I'm certainly not saying I agree with this tactic, but it's not restricted to just Foster. They would have made that decision at HT, and it was the wrong decision.
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@Bovidae said in Worst AB Captain:
@dogmeat That's fairly common. The rationale is that they give the players a few minutes to warm up as they're not using the HT break to do so. I'm certainly not saying I agree with this tactic, but it's not restricted to just Foster. They would have made that decision at HT, and it was the wrong decision.
The decision was probably made pre game.
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@Crazy-Horse sticking to a decision made pre game and ignoring the fact we barely had our noses in front isn't exactly flattering ot fozzie though
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
well fuck....definitely dont watch the game on your phone in bed in the early hour of sunday after getting home from watching your club team lose the final and hearing Otago also lost...that was a shit 24 hours
nothing to add that hasn't been said....they just need to do something! new coach...would make a change...actually playing young talent they picked for the squad like sotutu or perofeta might change something....playing people in the strongest position would change something...just do fucking something other than the same guys playing the same way and loosing
Good point about needing a new coach. What does everyone else think?
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in Worst AB Captain:
@dogmeat That's fairly common. The rationale is that they give the players a few minutes to warm up as they're not using the HT break to do so. I'm certainly not saying I agree with this tactic, but it's not restricted to just Foster. They would have made that decision at HT, and it was the wrong decision.
The decision was probably made pre game.
Ryan said there was minor injuries to both props. Then the decision was made to change to the front row that trained together
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I am at the airport and I walked past an AB store. I found my heart sinking a little as I looked inside. This surprised me. I guess I am bothered by these results more than I suspected.
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@Duluth if Ryan said that that was dumb. They all train together right? What happens if one prop is injured after 10? Sub the whole front row? Maybe he was trying to deflect some blame away from Foster. ST should have stayed on and hopefully next game that same decision will not be made.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
I am at the airport and I walked past an AB store. I found my heart sinking a little as I looked inside. This surprised me. I guess I am bothered by these results more than I suspected.
know what you mean , its a very different feeling. I had some family over for a barbeque yesterday arvo , and I was grabbing something to wear after a shower , I picked up an Allblacks polo and for a split second I hesitated and thought , do I still wear this ?
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
I am at the airport and I walked past an AB store. I found my heart sinking a little as I looked inside. This surprised me. I guess I am bothered by these results more than I suspected.
I'm absolutely fucking gutted. Very real risk of becoming the West Indies of rugby.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
I am at the airport and I walked past an AB store. I found my heart sinking a little as I looked inside. This surprised me. I guess I am bothered by these results more than I suspected.
know what you mean , its a very different feeling. I had some family over for a barbeque yesterday arvo , and I was grabbing something to wear after a shower , I picked up an Allblacks polo and for a split second I hesitated and thought , do I still wear this ?
Only if it is one that has the three C’s on it and you have the collars up
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@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in Worst AB Captain:
@dogmeat That's fairly common. The rationale is that they give the players a few minutes to warm up as they're not using the HT break to do so. I'm certainly not saying I agree with this tactic, but it's not restricted to just Foster. They would have made that decision at HT, and it was the wrong decision.
The decision was probably made pre game.
Ryan said there was minor injuries to both props. Then the decision was made to change to the front row
ST was still playing well, hindsight is a great thing but would have been worth while for 5 minutes to see if he could play with the other props
