All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@taniwharugby replacing the entire front row after they have only been back out on the paddock 4 mins was peak Fozzie
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
We drop down to 7th am I right???!!!
Lose again to Arg we go to 6th, Lose to Oz we then go to 7th
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@dogmeat That's fairly common. The rationale is that they give the players a few minutes to warm up as they're not using the HT break to do so. I'm certainly not saying I agree with this tactic, but it's not restricted to just Foster. They would have made that decision at HT, and it was the wrong decision.
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@Bovidae said in Worst AB Captain:
@dogmeat That's fairly common. The rationale is that they give the players a few minutes to warm up as they're not using the HT break to do so. I'm certainly not saying I agree with this tactic, but it's not restricted to just Foster. They would have made that decision at HT, and it was the wrong decision.
The decision was probably made pre game.
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@Crazy-Horse sticking to a decision made pre game and ignoring the fact we barely had our noses in front isn't exactly flattering ot fozzie though
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
well fuck....definitely dont watch the game on your phone in bed in the early hour of sunday after getting home from watching your club team lose the final and hearing Otago also lost...that was a shit 24 hours
nothing to add that hasn't been said....they just need to do something! new coach...would make a change...actually playing young talent they picked for the squad like sotutu or perofeta might change something....playing people in the strongest position would change something...just do fucking something other than the same guys playing the same way and loosing
Good point about needing a new coach. What does everyone else think?
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in Worst AB Captain:
@dogmeat That's fairly common. The rationale is that they give the players a few minutes to warm up as they're not using the HT break to do so. I'm certainly not saying I agree with this tactic, but it's not restricted to just Foster. They would have made that decision at HT, and it was the wrong decision.
The decision was probably made pre game.
Ryan said there was minor injuries to both props. Then the decision was made to change to the front row that trained together
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I am at the airport and I walked past an AB store. I found my heart sinking a little as I looked inside. This surprised me. I guess I am bothered by these results more than I suspected.
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@Duluth if Ryan said that that was dumb. They all train together right? What happens if one prop is injured after 10? Sub the whole front row? Maybe he was trying to deflect some blame away from Foster. ST should have stayed on and hopefully next game that same decision will not be made.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
I am at the airport and I walked past an AB store. I found my heart sinking a little as I looked inside. This surprised me. I guess I am bothered by these results more than I suspected.
know what you mean , its a very different feeling. I had some family over for a barbeque yesterday arvo , and I was grabbing something to wear after a shower , I picked up an Allblacks polo and for a split second I hesitated and thought , do I still wear this ?
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
I am at the airport and I walked past an AB store. I found my heart sinking a little as I looked inside. This surprised me. I guess I am bothered by these results more than I suspected.
I'm absolutely fucking gutted. Very real risk of becoming the West Indies of rugby.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
I am at the airport and I walked past an AB store. I found my heart sinking a little as I looked inside. This surprised me. I guess I am bothered by these results more than I suspected.
know what you mean , its a very different feeling. I had some family over for a barbeque yesterday arvo , and I was grabbing something to wear after a shower , I picked up an Allblacks polo and for a split second I hesitated and thought , do I still wear this ?
Only if it is one that has the three C’s on it and you have the collars up
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@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in Worst AB Captain:
@dogmeat That's fairly common. The rationale is that they give the players a few minutes to warm up as they're not using the HT break to do so. I'm certainly not saying I agree with this tactic, but it's not restricted to just Foster. They would have made that decision at HT, and it was the wrong decision.
The decision was probably made pre game.
Ryan said there was minor injuries to both props. Then the decision was made to change to the front row
ST was still playing well, hindsight is a great thing but would have been worth while for 5 minutes to see if he could play with the other props
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@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in Worst AB Captain:
@dogmeat That's fairly common. The rationale is that they give the players a few minutes to warm up as they're not using the HT break to do so. I'm certainly not saying I agree with this tactic, but it's not restricted to just Foster. They would have made that decision at HT, and it was the wrong decision.
The decision was probably made pre game.
Ryan said there was minor injuries to both props. Then the decision was made to change to the front row
ST was still playing well, hindsight is a great thing but would have been worth while for 5 minutes to see if he could play with the other props
Nobody needs hindsight to see that ST should be playing more minutes, not less. It was obvious way before these dipshits dropped him for a deciding Irish test.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Duluth if Ryan said that that was dumb. They all train together right? What happens if one prop is injured after 10? Sub the whole front row? Maybe he was trying to deflect some blame away from Foster. ST should have stayed on and hopefully next game that same decision will not be made.
Straight up copy of the Boks Bomb squad. Here’s a tip..they’re not the Bomb squad.
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@taniwharugby replacing the entire front row after they have only been back out on the paddock 4 mins was peak Fozzie
I noticed that he blamed that on Ryan and Schmidt in the PC. You are the head coach ffs, own that mistake and don't publicly out your assistants. He's definitely feeling the heat.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in Worst AB Captain:
@dogmeat That's fairly common. The rationale is that they give the players a few minutes to warm up as they're not using the HT break to do so. I'm certainly not saying I agree with this tactic, but it's not restricted to just Foster. They would have made that decision at HT, and it was the wrong decision.
The decision was probably made pre game.
Ryan said there was minor injuries to both props. Then the decision was made to change to the front row that trained together
And an all Crusaders front five at that stage, which does seem to make some sense.
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@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in Worst AB Captain:
@dogmeat That's fairly common. The rationale is that they give the players a few minutes to warm up as they're not using the HT break to do so. I'm certainly not saying I agree with this tactic, but it's not restricted to just Foster. They would have made that decision at HT, and it was the wrong decision.
The decision was probably made pre game.
Ryan said there was minor injuries to both props. Then the decision was made to change to the front row
ST was still playing well, hindsight is a great thing but would have been worth while for 5 minutes to see if he could play with the other props
Based on 100% throwing record, it was last 15 where we really missed Sami. Mind you last throw from Codie was straight. It did seem that he stood almost in front of AB line so our side of middle, but nonetheless straight.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
I am at the airport and I walked past an AB store. I found my heart sinking a little as I looked inside. This surprised me. I guess I am bothered by these results more than I suspected.
know what you mean , its a very different feeling. I had some family over for a barbeque yesterday arvo , and I was grabbing something to wear after a shower , I picked up an Allblacks polo and for a split second I hesitated and thought , do I still wear this ?
A lot of the pride in the AB jersey comes from our amazing records we held over other countries. Never losing to Ireland, rarely losing at home, never dropping games to teams ranked 9th in the world.
I think we could all understand losing to Ireland in their back yard given they are actually a very good team now, but the lost series at home, the losses to Argentina even at home, losing 3 on the trot in our own back yard for the first time ever, that stuff really damages the pride people had in the ABs, not to mention the damage it has done to the brand. I don't feel the same way about them anymore and I don't think I ever will again, as those records are gone now. I more look at them as just another team now, similar to the Black Caps - a very good team that can beat anyone on their day, but not the greatest professional sports team in the world.
For me, that's Foster's legacy. Losing records we held for over 100 years. Even if we do climb back to #1 post Foster, it won't be the same.
