All Blacks v Argentina II
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I expect us to win whoever we put out. One obvious pattern over the past two years is that the coaching/senior players solve last week's problems for the next game.
If the Argies can offer something new (unlikely) then that could throw a spanner in the works.
Currently we are building a team that will lose a knockout game, can't string two good games together, let alone the three you need to win a World Cup.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus brilliant work sir.
To go to Feynman on game plans:
It doesn’t matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn’t matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it’s wrongFeynman would have to be on my list of ideal dinner companions in the afterlife (where all the rugby is free to air).
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@nostrildamus assume that is a Rugby history channel playing AB rugby pre-2016?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus assume that is a Rugby history channel playing AB rugby pre-2016?
Just watching the Mehrts video highlights someone posted and yes, the rugby just looked so much better (for some reason his tackling doesn't seem to appear that often in the highlights video)...
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@taniwharugby I'd said that's more panicking than rolling the dice.
I didn't read one person last week who wasn't saying keep the team that beat the Boks, it's all about continuity, Foster's worst problem is chopping and changing.....
I'd keep the tight 5 - chuck in some any/one other than Taylor for the bench.
The loosies I would look at changing. Sotutu should come in but how long since he had game time? We need to select a loose forward trio not just the three players that we want to run on. Personally I think Cane gets a lot of shit because he'sdoing a job others aren't but I think he should get rested. Savea to the bench.
I'd leave the backs as they are evn though I'm not sold on any of them really, but they get told it's last drink at the saloon and make them do what worked in SAII i.e. abandon the flat attack BS
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@taniwharugby yuk! no.
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I didn't read one person last week who wasn't saying keep the team that beat the Boks, it's all about continuity, Foster's worst problem is chopping and changing.....
I expect people were sitting with baited breath to see if we could back up Ellis PArk...turned out we couldnt.
At some point we need to realise what we are doing aint working and start building for the future, some of the younger guys need to be given a chance to step up, while giving some (Savea) a rest.
Problem is, Fozzie has dug himself a big ol' hole, and I expect he is hoping his tried and tested (and failed for the past 10 months) will pull through and give him some breathing space.
Whatever way he plays it, something is bound to go wrong anyway!
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
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Cane will be fresh after the rest he got last week 😎
I guess with Retallick being fit we will see….
4- Retallick
5 - Whitelock
6 - S. Barrett😀
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@Nepia One of our (many) issues is that no one really plays the seven game - or the eight - or the fucking six for shits sake.
It is one reason why it is difficult to pick the loosies or even evaluate their performances. Is Cane shit because he's not a fetcher or is he buried in the tight covering for others. If so is it because the others are shirking or following instructions.
You can make similar arguments for all three positions
Oh for the good old days of a fast pilfering link player, a tall enforcer type that scares the opposition and can make good metres and another lineout option who ranges wider as a sort of blend of the first two. All three of whom hit hard in the tackle and empty their tanks.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
I thought last years match against the Argies with him at 7, Blackadder at 6 and Sotutu at 8 was pretty effective.
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Tbh I'm past caring who they pick and am more concerned about how they get told to play. You'd think the players in the squad should be good enough to beat Argentina, but who knows these days.
Shit, it's so goddam depressing.
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
That's depressing reading. You wouldn't think they'd need to lose 6 out of their last 8 matches to figure this stuff out.
Expecting to see Beauden & Retallick back. I can't say either fill me with much excitement.
Hoping to see Hoskins. 6th time might be the charm.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
I thought last years match against the Argies with him at 7, Blackadder at 6 and Sotutu at 8 was pretty effective.
Jaysus, I can barely remember trios picked from 12 days ago let alone 12 months ago.
Sadly no chance of that trio again for a while with Blackadder injured and Sotutu the non playing squad member.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
I thought last years match against the Argies with him at 7, Blackadder at 6 and Sotutu at 8 was pretty effective.
Jaysus, I can barely remember trios picked from 12 days ago let alone 12 months ago.
Sadly no chance of that trio again for a while with Blackadder injured and Sotutu the non playing squad member.
Me neither but I have vivid memories of JC/Richie/Rodders and then JK/Richie/Read.
I definitely have Rugby alzheimers.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
I thought last years match against the Argies with him at 7, Blackadder at 6 and Sotutu at 8 was pretty effective.
Jaysus, I can barely remember trios picked from 12 days ago let alone 12 months ago.
Sadly no chance of that trio again for a while with Blackadder injured and Sotutu the non playing squad member.
Me neither but I have vivid memories of JC/Richie/Rodders and then JK/Richie/Read.
I definitely have Rugby alzheimers.
I also have vivid memories of MJ/AJ/Buck and Kronfeld/MJ/Zinny.
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Tremaine, Kirkpatrick, Lochore
Mourie, Kirkpatrick, Knight,
Mourie, Shaw, MextedHave our loosies ever been this ineffective?
Going back to those loosies is a bit strange, they played such a different tyle then. There was no turnover ball almost ever in those days because you could not put hands near ball on ground, and loosies main job was to blow people over and run with ball. Lohore's great strength was actually really mainly his covering defence work. Such a different game then.
