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@Machpants said in Star link:
As an aside, ex Vodafone are going to be using starlink for 100% mobile coverage from next year
Media have jumped all over that in a PR dream for Voda.
It will be for SMS only for quite some time. Still better than being completely cut off if broken down in a dead spot area but not what the headlines say. Good they are heading down that road though. -
@Machpants said in Star link:
As an aside, ex Vodafone are going to be using starlink for 100% mobile coverage from next year
Media have jumped all over that in a PR dream for Voda.
It will be for SMS only for quite some time. Still better than being completely cut off if broken down in a dead spot area but not what the headlines say. Good they are heading down that road though.It's like the T-Mobile plan in the states, you can call for help no matter where you are. Huge.
And the new Vodafone entity have been pretty clear what the roll out plan is for the voice side of things, from memory Starlink needs the V2 satellites with the lasers to get that working.
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@Machpants said in Star link:
As an aside, ex Vodafone are going to be using starlink for 100% mobile coverage from next year
Media have jumped all over that in a PR dream for Voda.
It will be for SMS only for quite some time. Still better than being completely cut off if broken down in a dead spot area but not what the headlines say. Good they are heading down that road though.It's like the T-Mobile plan in the states, you can call for help no matter where you are. Huge.
And the new Vodafone entity have been pretty clear what the roll out plan is for the voice side of things, from memory Starlink needs the V2 satellites with the lasers to get that working.
Voda have been clear, absolutely. It is lazy journos that haven't.
Can't believe how many people said to me yesterday " I see that all our mobiles will be satellite connected next year" thinking they will be able to use them fully, everywhere. -
@taniwharugby said in Star link:
Starlink needs the V2 satellites with the lasers
sounds so absurd
Living in the future man!
Even better, they are waiting on the Starship with pez dispenser to launch those in bulk.
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Is the light pollution issue a real thing or a beat up?
I think it was a thing initially - but newer satellites are less bright. No idea of the current status though
Plus, astronomy should soon have multiple space telescopes for proper astronomy outside the atmosphere if Starship gets going.
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Is the light pollution issue a real thing or a beat up?
It's a real issue for astronomy, there are so many of them out there. Even the ones they changed to reflect less light to earth, still cause issues and the shear number means it is getting harder and harder to block out when studying the sky
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@Machpants said in Star link:
Is the light pollution issue a real thing or a beat up?
It's a real issue for astronomy, there are so many of them out there. Even the ones they changed to reflect less light to earth, still cause issues and the shear number means it is getting harder and harder to block out when studying the sky
Amateur astronomy is minorly effected. Scientific astronomy is uneffected as the paths are preditcable and computer processing removes any impact from them.
Updated versions have a lower reflectiveness, and once they hit their final orbits it's a non issue. Space is big, these are are effectively the same as a car spread out one per state of the US.
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@Machpants said in Star link:
Is the light pollution issue a real thing or a beat up?
It's a real issue for astronomy, there are so many of them out there. Even the ones they changed to reflect less light to earth, still cause issues and the shear number means it is getting harder and harder to block out when studying the sky
I get it. Sorry I thought it meant light pollution affecting performance of Starlink
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@Machpants said in Star link:
Is the light pollution issue a real thing or a beat up?
It's a real issue for astronomy, there are so many of them out there. Even the ones they changed to reflect less light to earth, still cause issues and the shear number means it is getting harder and harder to block out when studying the sky
Amateur astronomy is minorly effected. Scientific astronomy is uneffected as the paths are preditcable and computer processing removes any impact from them.
Updated versions have a lower reflectiveness, and once they hit their final orbits it's a non issue. Space is big, these are are effectively the same as a car spread out one per state of the US.
For some forms of astronomical images yes, but not all
"However, a growing interest in surveying the entire sky for transient phenomena (such as supernovae) or near-Earth asteroids makes the twilight sky an important piece of real estate. A study published in January 2022 in The Astrophysical Journal provides an important benchmark on just how intrusive Starlink satellites can be. According to the paper, the Zwicky Transient Facility at Mount Palomar is already affected, even with only a fraction of the final constellation in orbit. In 2021, when only some 1,000 satellites were in place, nearly 20 percent of the telescope’s twilight images had streaks on them." -
@Machpants said in Star link:
@Machpants said in Star link:
Is the light pollution issue a real thing or a beat up?
It's a real issue for astronomy, there are so many of them out there. Even the ones they changed to reflect less light to earth, still cause issues and the shear number means it is getting harder and harder to block out when studying the sky
Amateur astronomy is minorly effected. Scientific astronomy is uneffected as the paths are preditcable and computer processing removes any impact from them.
Updated versions have a lower reflectiveness, and once they hit their final orbits it's a non issue. Space is big, these are are effectively the same as a car spread out one per state of the US.
For some forms of astronomical images yes, but not all
"However, a growing interest in surveying the entire sky for transient phenomena (such as supernovae) or near-Earth asteroids makes the twilight sky an important piece of real estate. A study published in January 2022 in The Astrophysical Journal provides an important benchmark on just how intrusive Starlink satellites can be. According to the paper, the Zwicky Transient Facility at Mount Palomar is already affected, even with only a fraction of the final constellation in orbit. In 2021, when only some 1,000 satellites were in place, nearly 20 percent of the telescope’s twilight images had streaks on them."That's a report from before the new starlinks with the reduced reflectivity, that SpaceX has been designing on concert with organisations like this.
But to quote them;
"There’s also good news: Despite the large and increasing number of satellite streaks, it’s not affecting ZTF science.
That’s because — unlike some other observatories — single satellite trails are faint enough that they don’t saturate the ZTF detector. That means that the automatic pipeline, which already removes airplane trails and the like, can easily mask a satellite streaking across an image. So while a few pixels are lost (about 0.04% of the detector area), the image as a whole is still useful.
“We estimate that once SpaceX deploys the entire constellation of 42,000 satellites, every ZTF image taken during twilight would be contaminated with about four satellite streaks,” says Mróz, “which means that about 0.2% of all pixels would be lost (and so there is a 0.2% chance that ZTF may miss a transient during twilight).” Even then, because ZTF re-images the entire sky every two days, they’d still likely pick up whatever they missed."
So 0.2% pixels effected when they get to 42,000 satelittes. They currently have 7000. Down to zero after two days scanning.
So as impacts go, somewhere around none and fuckall.
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Easily the best option if in a non-fibre area.
God send for us as it allows us to work in our Welly jobs while sitting in rural Central Otago.I'm assuming you save a tidy sum in rent/mortgage doing that.
If the wife could handle the relative isolation I'd move to Central Otago in a slow to organize heartbeat. -
