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@Tim reading that just made me angry.
I can see why the process is there, but gee, to get from 3 years in prison down to 10 months home d, that became 5 due to time served in custody, because he plead guilty, said sorry and had a tough life.
But also, the fact he is deemed dangerous enough to be kept in custody for 5 months pending his trial, rather than out on bail...little wonder our crime rates are exploding.
So right now, we know nothing of the victims of this guy, so if they have kids, down the track one of them commits an offence, they can point to this event as being the catalyst for thier hard life forcing them down that path.
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@paremata said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
The buyback and law changes created a lucrative black market overnight.
To be fair there has been a black market for firearms for many years.
I know of 3-4 licence holders who have previously been approached to buy/sell firearms on behalf of unlicenced people. They all declined the "offer".
Moving forward the new Gun Registry may plug one loophole, in regards to private sales, but will do nothing to locate existing illegal/unregistered firearms. -
@mikedogz said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
Are the guns registered by the owner or by the manufacturer/importer/seller?
Both if they are new, if you own them now it’s on you . It’s phased in over five years and Act are committed to dumping it so the uptake has been very slow .
But only if they are purchased by law abiding firearms owners . All kind of crap gets smuggled into the country or stolen including firearms so a register in this case changes nothing .
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@Donsteppa said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
It's interesting that an 11 minute response time is now seen as fast for Police get to basically the heart of downtown Auckland.
I've seen a couple of people questioning this now and am a bit surprised.
I thought it seemed pretty decent, I certainly wouldn't expect less than that over here - is that for first police, or some police that are actually appropriate for a firearms incident?
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
is that for first police, or some police that are actually appropriate for a firearms incident?
yeah you'd expect there would be someone there almost instantly.
I expect any response time would be seen as wrong by some
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Donsteppa said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
It's interesting that an 11 minute response time is now seen as fast for Police get to basically the heart of downtown Auckland.
I've seen a couple of people questioning this now and am a bit surprised.
I thought it seemed pretty decent, I certainly wouldn't expect less than that over here - is that for first police, or some police that are actually appropriate for a firearms incident?
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
But I’ll leave it to the facebook keyboard warriors with years of experience
dealing with firearms offenceswatching action movies to give their take on whether or not a Glock is suitable to take on someone armed with a shotgun.@taniwharugby absolutely, doesn’t matter how quick they get there, some piston wristed gibbon will always complain they should have been faster.
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
I know, that’s why I prefer to consult the interweb warriors for their Steven Seagal/Chuck Norris inspired opinions on how to handle the situation.
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@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
So you're saying every cop is now trained in firearms incident response? I wouldn't have thought they were.
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There are a couple of versions. Based on not much, I thought there may have been police based closer than 11 minutes to that part of the CBD. On the other hand, the Armed Offenders Squad were there very quick due to a training exercise nearby.
In the Herald:
Earlier, Hipkins said police received a call about a man with a gun firing at people in a building on Lower Queen St at 7.23am.
Three minutes later the Eagle helicopter was dispatched and at 7.34am the first police officers arrived at the scene. Four minutes later the Armed Offenders Squad also arrived.
On Stuff:
At about 7.20am on Thursday, the first gunshot rang out at One Queen Street.
The first of many calls to police began at 7.22am, two minutes after the first shots were fired, with panicked callers telling them a gunman, possibly two, had opened fire on level 3 of the building.
By 7.30am, a police helicopter was circling and armed police had begun the hunt for the shooter inside the building.
re: The Armed Offenders Squad
Speaking on NewstalkZB, Police Commissioner Andrew Coster said the AOS were training in downtown Auckland as the incident started.
“That certainly assisted us.”
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
So you're saying every cop is now trained in firearms incident response? I wouldn't have thought they were.
We've had situations where all frontline Police were required to carry firearms for a period of time, including after the Christchurch Mosque shooting. So there must be some level of basic training.
Edit: from that 2019 article:
Under normal circumstances, police in New Zealand carry pepper spray, batons, and Tasers, though all are trained with the Glock and Bushmaster.
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@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
If I may borrow some of that sarcasm - I see there's an armed offenders squad, what's the need for that if every cop has the training?
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Donsteppa said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
It's interesting that an 11 minute response time is now seen as fast for Police get to basically the heart of downtown Auckland.
I've seen a couple of people questioning this now and am a bit surprised.
I thought it seemed pretty decent, I certainly wouldn't expect less than that over here - is that for first police, or some police that are actually appropriate for a firearms incident?
Those clowns that attacked bar goers in London in 2017 were all dead inside of eight minutes after the call was made . That’s pretty awesome work on the London police’s behalf
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
If I may borrow some of that sarcasm - I see there's an armed offenders squad, what's the need for that if every cop has the training?
Presumably there's a middle ground, as there's little need for access to firearms if the only option is to wait until the specialists.
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