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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
I know, that’s why I prefer to consult the interweb warriors for their Steven Seagal/Chuck Norris inspired opinions on how to handle the situation.
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@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
So you're saying every cop is now trained in firearms incident response? I wouldn't have thought they were.
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There are a couple of versions. Based on not much, I thought there may have been police based closer than 11 minutes to that part of the CBD. On the other hand, the Armed Offenders Squad were there very quick due to a training exercise nearby.
In the Herald:
Earlier, Hipkins said police received a call about a man with a gun firing at people in a building on Lower Queen St at 7.23am.
Three minutes later the Eagle helicopter was dispatched and at 7.34am the first police officers arrived at the scene. Four minutes later the Armed Offenders Squad also arrived.
On Stuff:
At about 7.20am on Thursday, the first gunshot rang out at One Queen Street.
The first of many calls to police began at 7.22am, two minutes after the first shots were fired, with panicked callers telling them a gunman, possibly two, had opened fire on level 3 of the building.
By 7.30am, a police helicopter was circling and armed police had begun the hunt for the shooter inside the building.
re: The Armed Offenders Squad
Speaking on NewstalkZB, Police Commissioner Andrew Coster said the AOS were training in downtown Auckland as the incident started.
“That certainly assisted us.”
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
So you're saying every cop is now trained in firearms incident response? I wouldn't have thought they were.
We've had situations where all frontline Police were required to carry firearms for a period of time, including after the Christchurch Mosque shooting. So there must be some level of basic training.
Edit: from that 2019 article:
Under normal circumstances, police in New Zealand carry pepper spray, batons, and Tasers, though all are trained with the Glock and Bushmaster.
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@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
If I may borrow some of that sarcasm - I see there's an armed offenders squad, what's the need for that if every cop has the training?
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Donsteppa said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
It's interesting that an 11 minute response time is now seen as fast for Police get to basically the heart of downtown Auckland.
I've seen a couple of people questioning this now and am a bit surprised.
I thought it seemed pretty decent, I certainly wouldn't expect less than that over here - is that for first police, or some police that are actually appropriate for a firearms incident?
Those clowns that attacked bar goers in London in 2017 were all dead inside of eight minutes after the call was made . That’s pretty awesome work on the London police’s behalf
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
If I may borrow some of that sarcasm - I see there's an armed offenders squad, what's the need for that if every cop has the training?
Presumably there's a middle ground, as there's little need for access to firearms if the only option is to wait until the specialists.
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@Windows97 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
Believing a gun register will stop incidents like this is about the same as believing having cars registered is going to stop drunk driving and speeding...
This . It’s bizarre that some people actually believe someone with this level of ferality would be trying to source a gun legally at all and a register would have stopped him .
It seems to be a distraction from the real issue of him being in home d in the first place . The number of people committing crimes on home d is pretty shocking tbh
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@Donsteppa said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
If I may borrow some of that sarcasm - I see there's an armed offenders squad, what's the need for that if every cop has the training?
Presumably there's a middle ground, as there's little need for access to firearms if the only option is to wait until the specialists.
I'm sure there is, but a police firearms response to someone with a knife is different to a response to someone with a gun I imagine. Or are NZ cops only allowed to use a firearm in response to someone with a firearm?
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Donsteppa said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
If I may borrow some of that sarcasm - I see there's an armed offenders squad, what's the need for that if every cop has the training?
Presumably there's a middle ground, as there's little need for access to firearms if the only option is to wait until the specialists.
I'm sure there is, but a police firearms response to someone with a knife is different to a response to someone with a gun I imagine. Or are NZ cops only allowed to use a firearm in response to someone with a firearm?
I've been trying to find something concrete on that, but no luck so far. 'Last resort' seems to be the phrase everywhere. We need Auckland Warlord to reappear from his latest good work.
There's this on the Newcops page:
Force is only used as a last resort
Most of the time it’s never actually used:
Just 1 in 1,000 incidents involves the use of pepper spray.
Only 1 in 3,000 involves a taser.
In 80% of cases involving possible taser use, communication and simply showing the taser will safely de-escalate the situation.
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Donsteppa said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
If I may borrow some of that sarcasm - I see there's an armed offenders squad, what's the need for that if every cop has the training?
Presumably there's a middle ground, as there's little need for access to firearms if the only option is to wait until the specialists.
I'm sure there is, but a police firearms response to someone with a knife is different to a response to someone with a gun I imagine. Or are NZ cops only allowed to use a firearm in response to someone with a firearm?
I’m fairly confident they’re allowed to shoot someone if they’re not complying and advancing at them armed with……well pretty much anything.
But ( possibly off topic ) fuck having to be in that situation and having to make that call knowing you’re in a lose/lose situation like that.
I remember when that bloke was shot in Waitara 20 odd years and his feral family were interviewed and whinged that he was “only armed with a golf club”
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@paremata said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
“Reducing the prison population creates safety”
In other news ear is peace , freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength .
Boy this article aged like milk .
"Mental health and drug use services and systems would be equipped with trauma-informed approaches to assist people with trauma."
If that's the intellectual level of discussion on the justice system in NZ, no wonder many people think it is fucked.
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@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
I remember when that bloke was shot in Waitara 20 odd years and his feral family were interviewed and whinged that he was “only armed with a golf club”
That was still being fought as of last month...
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@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Donsteppa said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
If I may borrow some of that sarcasm - I see there's an armed offenders squad, what's the need for that if every cop has the training?
Presumably there's a middle ground, as there's little need for access to firearms if the only option is to wait until the specialists.
I'm sure there is, but a police firearms response to someone with a knife is different to a response to someone with a gun I imagine. Or are NZ cops only allowed to use a firearm in response to someone with a firearm?
I’m fairly confident they’re allowed to shoot someone if they’re not complying and advancing at them armed with……well pretty much anything.
But ( possibly off topic ) fuck having to be in that situation and having to make that call knowing you’re in a lose/lose situation like that.
I remember when that bloke was shot in Waitara 20 odd years and his feral family were interviewed and whinged that he was “only armed with a golf club”
I believe you're missing the point. Call comes in about someone armed with a golf club - on the face of it, that's a fuckload different than someone armed with a gun and first responders may be able to contain the situation, even if not trained in tactical firearms response. If there's a firearm involved, they're probably not going to go rushing in and likely have to wait until trained units are available.
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Donsteppa said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
If I may borrow some of that sarcasm - I see there's an armed offenders squad, what's the need for that if every cop has the training?
Presumably there's a middle ground, as there's little need for access to firearms if the only option is to wait until the specialists.
I'm sure there is, but a police firearms response to someone with a knife is different to a response to someone with a gun I imagine. Or are NZ cops only allowed to use a firearm in response to someone with a firearm?
I’m fairly confident they’re allowed to shoot someone if they’re not complying and advancing at them armed with……well pretty much anything.
But ( possibly off topic ) fuck having to be in that situation and having to make that call knowing you’re in a lose/lose situation like that.
I remember when that bloke was shot in Waitara 20 odd years and his feral family were interviewed and whinged that he was “only armed with a golf club”
I believe you're missing the point. Call comes in about someone armed with a golf club - on the face of it, that's a fuckload different than someone armed with a gun and first responders may be able to contain the situation, even if not trained in tactical firearms response. If there's a firearm involved, they're probably not going to go rushing in and likely have to wait until trained units are available.
Case by case basis…..the response time in central Auckland is likely to be a tad quicker than Aramoana/Waitara/Eastbourne etc. then again a golf club to the head will kill you just as surely as a bullet.
Not really something us amateurs are really qualified to discuss though. It is fascinating to hear cops yarns from the frontline though. The old cliche of better work stories is so accurate
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