Rank your AB RWC coaches
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My worst coaches in no particular order are:
Mitchell because he dropped Cullen.
Hart because he played Cullen at centre.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Rank your AB RWC coaches:
@MN5 im the same if im honest...but the bias otago fan in me will also probably claim hart relied on a core of a team that Mains brought together...and probably the same with Hansen and Henry
*dont ask me to back that up with any facts...remember where we are
Hart took a punt on Cullen. If he didn’t we would have had to put up with a far inferior fullback in Glen Osborne.
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@stodders said in Rank your AB RWC coaches:
In all seriousness, best to worst)
Lochore (reinvigorated a team that was torn apart by Cavaliers tour)
Henry (his team were down to 4th best flyhalf and NZ hadn’t won RWC for 24 years)
Hansen
Foster (if he wins)
Mains (best team in RWC. Would have won if it wasn’t for Matt Damon, low flying jumbos and Saint Nelson)
Mitchell (got Eddie’d)
Wyllie (got Campo’d)
Hart (that French game was an aberration, but so in keeping with the shit show from 1998)
Foster (if he doesn’t win)You forgot Suzie and her dodgy tea urn
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For me it is irrelevant if he wins or loses.
I'd loathe if test rugby has come to this where we sacrifice 3 years of test rugby purely to win the RWC, I love that in rugby every game matters, or used to, we don't have 'friendlies'.
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@stodders said in Rank your AB RWC coaches:
Foster (if he wins) must rank as the best given he’s coaching the worst NZ team ever to appear at a World Cup against amazing, generational teams like France, Ireland and SA 😉
That's a very good shout
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@stodders said in Rank your AB RWC coaches:
Lochore (reinvigorated a team that was torn apart by Cavaliers tour)
Henry (his team were down to 4th best flyhalf and NZ hadn’t won RWC for 24 years)
Hansen
Foster (if he wins)
Mains (best team in RWC. Would have won if it wasn’t for Matt Damon, low flying jumbos and Saint Nelson)
Mitchell (got Eddie’d)
Wyllie (got Campo’d)
Hart (that French game was an aberration, but so in keeping with the shit show from 1998)
Foster (if he doesn’t win)This looks pretty close to me. Though I'd put Mitchell ahead of Mains.
Arguably, the difference between the 1992 - 1994 Laurie Mains shambles (selection idiocies over the three years, and eventually 2 wins from 6 in 1994) and 1995 Laure Mains was the addition of Brian Lochore into the 1995 RWC mix. So I tend to credit that campaign in Lochore's direction as well.
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@taniwharugby said in Rank your AB RWC coaches:
For me it is irrelevant if he wins or loses.
I'd loathe if test rugby has come to this where we sacrifice 3 years of test rugby purely to win the RWC, I love that in rugby every game matters, or used to, we don't have 'friendlies'.
I agree with this. Even if he wins, Foster has done serious damage to the aura, built by those who came before him
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At the risk of fueling the Foster side of it, at the moment he's last behind daylight after losing the first pool game, the usual standard of post game delusions, and the point well made by @taniwharugby about the damage done over the last three and half years.
If he wins, I think it will feel like a reverse version of the 2019 CWC Final. A very delighted version of disbelief.
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@MN5 said in Rank your AB RWC coaches:
@Kiwiwomble said in Rank your AB RWC coaches:
@MN5 im the same if im honest...but the bias otago fan in me will also probably claim hart relied on a core of a team that Mains brought together...and probably the same with Hansen and Henry
*dont ask me to back that up with any facts...remember where we are
Hart took a punt on Cullen. If he didn’t we would have had to put up with a far inferior fullback in Glen Osborne.
Mains wanted to take Cullen away on the France tour as an extra player but the NZRFU wouldn't let him. So not sure if Hart would have been the only one to do that.
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@Nepia said in Rank your AB RWC coaches:
@MN5 said in Rank your AB RWC coaches:
@Kiwiwomble said in Rank your AB RWC coaches:
@MN5 im the same if im honest...but the bias otago fan in me will also probably claim hart relied on a core of a team that Mains brought together...and probably the same with Hansen and Henry
*dont ask me to back that up with any facts...remember where we are
Hart took a punt on Cullen. If he didn’t we would have had to put up with a far inferior fullback in Glen Osborne.
Mains wanted to take Cullen away on the France tour as an extra player but the NZRFU wouldn't let him. So not sure if Hart would have been the only one to do that.
The comment was more a dig at Foster and how set in his ways he is.
Also I’m just re reading what I wrote and need to correct myself. Osborne was “inferior” but not by much. He was a terrific player. If Cullen never existed he would have had a long successful career.
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@taniwharugby said in Rank your AB RWC coaches:
For me it is irrelevant if he wins or loses.
I'd loathe if test rugby has come to this where we sacrifice 3 years of test rugby purely to win the RWC, I love that in rugby every game matters, or used to, we don't have 'friendlies'.
I don’t think there’s been any sacrifice per se. Just that we’ve struggled on several fronts.
Plus sometimes the best team of the previous three years (or even the previous year) doesn’t win the cup. Sometimes the draw and things just fall into place for the tourney.
He may go up a place or two if he and the team manage to pull off a miracle.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Rank your AB RWC coaches:
@taniwharugby said in Rank your AB RWC coaches:
For me it is irrelevant if he wins or loses.
I'd loathe if test rugby has come to this where we sacrifice 3 years of test rugby purely to win the RWC, I love that in rugby every game matters, or used to, we don't have 'friendlies'.
I don’t think there’s been any sacrifice per se. Just that we’ve struggled on several fronts.
Plus sometimes the best team of the previous three years (or even the previous year) doesn’t win the cup. Sometimes the draw and things just fall into place for the tourney.
He may go up a place or two if he and the team manage to pull off a miracle.
I guess it comes down to the value placed on a RWC trophy vs our match record over his entire tenure. I guess if you use Laurie as the example, his near miss in 1995 served to fluff his resume in spite of the poor years prior.
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@canefan and I agree with both of you. The damage he has done will take quite a while to repair.
His acceptance of mediocrity and poor performances and his mealy mouthed justifications really piss me off.
He has never seemed disturbed at what he has overseen and his interviews and pressers have made the colour beige look real exciting.
I’ve been watching the ABs since the 1970s and have never felt this detached until this turkey came along. -
on a more positive note I liked how Ryan accepted blame for the forwards' performance, accepted Ethan DeG had much still to learn, but also shouldered responsibility.
