Wallaby EOYT 2016
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Well, in a move that surprised no-one, but positively fucking INCENSED some, ex-Storm winger Marika Koroibete has been included in the squad for the EOYT.
I'm a little confused, particularly given some of the talent getting around in the NRC, which is supposed to be the development pathway, right? Yeah, nah. Fuck yas.
Each position in no particular order for the touring squad of 32:
Hookers (3): James Hanson, Tolu Latu*, Stephen Moore
Props (5): Allan Alaalatoa, Sekope Kepu, Tom Robertson, Scott Sio, James Slipper
Locks: (5): Rory Arnold, Adam Coleman, Kane Douglas, Rob Simmons, Will Skelton
Back row (6): Scott Fardy, Michael Hooper, Sean McMahon, Dean Mumm, David Pocock, Lopeti Timani
Scrumhalf (3): Nick Frisby, Will Genia, Nick Phipps
Flyhalf (2): Quade Cooper, Bernard Foley,
Centres (3): Kyle Godwin*, Reece Hodge, Tevita Kuridrani
Outside backs (5): Israel Folau, Dane Haylett-Petty, Marika Koroibete*, Sefanaia Naivalu, Henry Speight
Those marked * are yet to debut
There are some hangers-on travelling along apparently, like Tongan Thor. I saw that somewhere on FB but can't confirm
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@NTA This is the article I read about Tupou and Perese:
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So has Samu Kerevi been dropped? Or is he injured?
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Injured, had surgery on his ankle today apparently.
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@NTA said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
Well, in a move that surprised no-one, but positively fucking INCENSED some, ex-Storm winger Marika Koroibete has been included in the squad for the EOYT.
I'm a little confused, particularly given some of the talent getting around in the NRC, which is supposed to be the development pathway, right? Yeah, nah. Fuck yas.
Given he's paid a reputed $700K as an untried winger, I'd be taking him on tour as well.
There are some hangers-on travelling along apparently, like Tongan Thor. I saw that somewhere on FB but can't confirm
Would be good for Tupou, he dominated for Brothers.
I'd expect the Wallabies will be looking for a Grand Slam. They've finally got close to picking a proper team and just need to move Folau into a wing, Hodge to centre and Godwin into second five.
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@antipodean said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
Given he's paid a reputed $700K as an untried winger, I'd be taking him on tour as well.
Can't help but think we're sending the wrong message to guys like Kellaway...
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@NTA said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
Well, in a move that surprised no-one, but positively fucking INCENSED some, ex-Storm winger Marika Koroibete has been included in the squad for the EOYT.
I'm a little confused, particularly given some of the talent getting around in the NRC, which is supposed to be the development pathway, right? Yeah, nah. Fuck yas.
Each position in no particular order for the touring squad of 32:
Hookers (3): James Hanson, Tolu Latu*, Stephen Moore
Props (5): Allan Alaalatoa, Sekope Kepu, Tom Robertson, Scott Sio, James Slipper
Locks: (5): Rory Arnold, Adam Coleman, Kane Douglas, Rob Simmons, Will Skelton
Back row (6): Scott Fardy, Michael Hooper, Sean McMahon, Dean Mumm, David Pocock, Lopeti Timani
Scrumhalf (3): Nick Frisby, Will Genia, Nick Phipps
Flyhalf (2): Quade Cooper, Bernard Foley,
Centres (3): Kyle Godwin*, Reece Hodge, Tevita Kuridrani
Outside backs (5): Israel Folau, Dane Haylett-Petty, Marika Koroibete*, Sefanaia Naivalu, Henry Speight
Those marked * are yet to debut
There are some hangers-on travelling along apparently, like Tongan Thor. I saw that somewhere on FB but can't confirm
Did i miss Samu Karevi somewhere?
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Looking at it, it's actually a pretty good squad in theory. On paper this team should be dynamite?
They've got good names in the loose forwards, but they don't seem to get the combination right. My opinion is that they're hamstrung by having too good opensides and trying to accommodate. My first choice would be a combo of Fardy, Pocock and Timani.
If Kuridrani wasn't so out of form I think a combination of him and Hodge would be really promising and one that I would invest some time in. Unfortunately Kuridrani has sucked for a while now.
I like the look of Arnold and Coleman coming through at lock too.
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What's the wrap on Kyle Goodwin?
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@NTA said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
@antipodean said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
Given he's paid a reputed $700K as an untried winger, I'd be taking him on tour as well.
Can't help but think we're sending the wrong message to guys like Kellaway...
And also says that the Wallaby jersey can be bought.
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@pakman talented young midfielder. Was excellent in his first season of Super Rugby a couple of years back but has stagnated since. I believe he has signed for the Brumbies for next season.
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Next year I would start with the forward pack that started in Auckland, perhaps without Moore and definitely without Mumm. Bring in Holloway at 8 and move Timani to 6. This would be one hell of a pack, especially by Australian standards. A decent enough scrummaging unit with good ball running props, two big and physical locks and three dynamic loosies. This wallaby team could possibly trouble the ABs over the next few years if Cheika gets the selection right and sticks with it.
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Timani will have to up his workrate considerably to be classified as dynamic. He's a big unit for sure and has the size that could trouble defenders but he lacks the dynamism which makes him easy to defend against.
The Wallabies can create turnover ball, but really lack that combination of organisation and instinctiveness to make the most of them. Is it fitness, poor coaching or just lack of awareness?
Unless that is addressed I think the wheels will continue to churn and whilst they'll be competitive, they won't be able to 'put teams away'.
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@ACT-Crusader I read a stat that said he made 21 tackles versus the Argies in London. That's not bad.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
The Wallabies can create turnover ball, but really lack that combination of organisation and instinctiveness to make the most of them. Is it fitness, poor coaching or just lack of awareness?
Bit of everything. The halves are pretty solid for this, but we were packing a three-quarter line on Saturday with about 25 caps between them. Folau's workrate and effectiveness was clear to note with Phipps/Foley in the pivot.
Throw in Kerevi's early injury, bringing another rookie into the play, and a bit of organisational chaos is to be expected.
Plus, the counterattack thing is great if you're not going to get isolated, and we were making a shitload of ground up the guts, so why change?
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Jack Dempsey and Andrew Kellaway (Waratahs) & Izaia Perese and Taniela Tupou (Reds) will travel with the Wallabies squad. They won't play any tests (unless needed due to injury), but the first three players may play against the French Barbarians. Tupou is not eligible yet to play for Australia.
http://www.rugby.com.au/news/2016/10/26/02/50/wallabies-development-players
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The Wallabies take on Wales this Sunday morning, 6 November from 1.30am AEDT on BeIn Sports Channel 513, as part of your FOXTEL subscription.http://www.rugby.com.au/news/2016/11/02/19/04/wallabies-millennium-stadium
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Wales line-up for the first test v Australia: 1. Gethin Jenkins (Cardiff Blues) (126 Caps), 2. Ken Owens (Scarlets) (42 Caps), 3. Samson Lee (Scarlets) (26 Caps), 4. Bradley Davies (Ospreys) (56 Caps), 5. Luke Charteris (Bath Rugby) (68 Caps), 6. Dan Lydiate (Ospreys) (57 Caps), 7. Justin Tipuric (Ospreys) (43 Caps), 8. Ross Moriarty (Gloucester) (9 Caps), 9. Rhys Webb (Ospreys) (22 Caps), 10. Dan Biggar (Ospreys) (48 Caps), 11. George North (Northampton Saints) (62 Caps), 12. Jamie Roberts (Harlequins) (83 Caps), 13. Jonathan Davies (Scarlets) (56 Caps), 14. Alex Cuthbert (Cardiff Blues) (42 Caps), 15. Leigh Halfpenny (Toulon) (62 Caps)
REPLACEMENTS: 16. Scott Baldwin (Ospreys) (24 Caps), 17. Nicky Smith (Ospreys) (3 Caps), 18. Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs) (14 Caps), 19. Cory Hill (Newport Gwent Dragons) (UNCAPPED), 20. James King (Ospreys) (8 Caps), 21. Gareth Davies (Scarlets) (17 Caps), 22. Sam Davies (Ospreys) (UNCAPPED), 23. Hallam Amos (Newport Gwent Dragons) (10 Caps)
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Pretty much as expected then, bar injuries and absence due to bereavement.
That Wales back row will probably answer Cheika's thoughts about how he wants to play. I'll take a stab at a Wallaby team:
1 Sio
2 Moore (skipper)
3 Kepu
4 Arnold
5 Coleman
6 Fardy (in for banned Mumm)
7 Hooper
8 Timani
9 Phipps
10 Foley
11 Speight
12 Hodge
13 Kuridrani
14 DHP
15 FolauIn other words: no changes. There is talk of Folau to 13, but you look at how much time that Wales back line have had together, and quite frankly he doesn't have the experience.
Also, Wales will bomb us as a change up, so need the best guy at the back.
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Wallabies team to take on Wales:
- Scott Sio
- Stephen Moore (c)
- Sekope Kepu
- Rory Arnold
- Adam Coleman
- David Pocock
- Michael Hooper
- Lopeti Timani
- Nick Phipps
- Bernard Foley
- Henry Speight
- Reece Hodge
- Tevita Kuridrani
- Dane Haylett-Petty
- Israel Folau
Reserves:
16. Tolu Latu*
17. James Slipper
18. Allan Alaalatoa
19. Rob Simmons
20. Scott Fardy
21. Nick Frisby
22. Quade Cooper
23. Sefa Naivaluhttp://www.rugby.com.au/news/2016/11/03/08/41/wallabies-wales-team-announcement
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@NTA You were close!! Only Pocock at 6 instead of Fardy.
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No AWJ nor Warburton for Wales - can't see them breaking their drought against that Wallabies team.
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@antipodean Am sure they could've done with Liam Williams instead of Cuthbert too.
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Now we have The Poopmani. Interesting. Could actually be the most balanced of the combinations so far IF Timani pulls his finger out and works a bit harder off the ball.
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Ok Aussies, don't pile in all at once, but i reckon that selection is fucking cowardice from Cheika. Again he's avoided making a call on his 7s, resulting in an unbalance backrow. He's brought back a centre who has been shit for 2 years to avoid having to move Folau to 13.
It smacks of "same old same old" despite it not working all fucking year. Be brave, look at change Michael. If you were so secure in your job as "you don't really need it" then you would, but this reeks of "desperate for a win".
I'll still be backing your side this weekend, but come on man, show something.
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never understood the folau to centre calls. he's pretty solid at the back: occasionally brilliant, very good under the high ball. that part's not broke, so changing it to plug a hole somewhere else is probably just going to make things worse. he's not going to get more involved at centre than fullback, and you lose the use of one of his major strengths (in the air).
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@mariner4life said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
Ok Aussies, don't pile in all at once, but i reckon that selection is fucking cowardice from Cheika. Again he's avoided making a call on his 7s, resulting in an unbalance backrow.
Actually, I think he's looked at the Welsh backrow being a bit lighter and faster than if Faletau was there, and decided we need to rape them on the ground.
Gatlandball relies on two things: Big backs with a couple of simple screen runs to set them free. That needs quick ruck ball. If they don't have that, the plan falls apart and they gets nailed.
Which means they kick. Which brings me onto my next point:
He's brought back a centre who has been shit for 2 years to avoid having to move Folau to 13.
That Welsh backline has a fuckload of time together, and recently. Putting a guy with no Test experience playing the position is asking for defensive trouble, particularly with a rookie 12 and shit 11 backing him up. I prefer Kuridrani's experience playing 13, despite his recent shittiness.
On attack, we showed in Auckland that Folau joining the line with a Phipps/Foley combination can work. Also need Folau at the back for the inevitable kicking I have discussed.
It smacks of "same old same old" despite it not working all fucking year. Be brave, look at change Michael. If you were so secure in your job as "you don't really need it" then you would, but this reeks of "desperate for a win".
Yes. And?
Of course we're desperate for a win. But that will take us getting the set piece right, denying Wales any ball, and not giving away stupid penalties inside our territory for Halfpenny to pop over at will.
NOW the important question: if we dish them up and the players mentioned all have blinders, would you like your bag of dicks steamed or baked?
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@NTA cowardice. Have a go ya mug.
And you're in Wales, that bag of dicks will most likely be boiled. If they have blinders is the big fucking question isn't it?
Set piece is now an issue, as you've give a thrower with a ropey year under his belt only 2 targets to hit. You better hope you win a fuck load of ruck turnovers, not penalties.
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@mariner4life said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
And you're in Wales, that bag of dicks will most likely be boiled.
You're in Queensland, so they'll probably be covered in XXXX and done on the baaaaaaaaaaaarbie, in fact.
Not sure how its cowardice to select the same team that put on a decent performance last time out.
As for number of jumpers - could happen at any time in a game. If you can't deal with that, you just have to win the game in other areas. We should be used to that by now.
Look at that team and tell me Pocock's selection is worse than either Mumm or Fardy overall.
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I know there aren't many options at 6 for the Wallabies but reckon they'd be better off with McMahon at 6 and Pocock at 7 - McMahon may not be a 6 but at least he hits hard and can ball run. Neither of which Pocock offers. I think Hooper would be better served playing the Ardie role off the bench.
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@NTA a decent performance and got flogged. I think that gets missed too often. They were flogged.
Unlike many, many others, i don't worship at the alter of Pocock, so i don't think he's a walk-up start. Hooper hasn't done anything to get dropped, Pocock is a shit 8, and not much of a 6 either to be honest. I think picking him unbalances the pack, and yes, Fardy might be a better option. Hell, as just mentioned below, McMahon might actually be a better fit.
You might be right, it all might click, Pocock and Hooper win a fuck load of turnover ball on the deck, the halves fire it out to Folau chiming in from the back, and the Wallabies score 30+ points. And it will be golden. Which will beg the question, why was this game different to every other game this year?
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@mariner4life said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
I think that gets missed too often. They were flogged.
They got flogged three times by the All Blacks this year. The same team whose nearest margin this year was 14 points against Wales when they were warming up, and whose average winning margin in TRC was almost 30 points.
I think that gets missed too often.
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@NTA look, I'm not looking for a shitfight (well, not really), I'm just struggling to see what Cheika's plan is. Do you know? How does he want to play the game?
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@mariner4life said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
@NTA look, I'm not looking for a shitfight (well, not really), I'm just struggling to see what Cheika's plan is. Do you know? How does he want to play the game?
LOL get fucked you're not. You're as angry as the next Queenslander that your mate KWAYYYYYYYYYYDE wasn't picked!
I have no fucking idea what Cheika's plan is. I would have settled for McMahonor Fardy starting and Pocock finishing by dicking Wales at the breakdown in the last 15-20 minutes to put their aspirations beyond reach.
Hooper probably needs a break at some point, though he has looked fairly robust the whole season. Can't drop him though because he's our most consistent performer.
I think the workload taken on by Coleman and Arnold has been a step above any of our other locks this year. Plus they're big, angry bastards and their ruck work + ball carrying means Hooper especially has a bit of free time to run the wider channels (for which every fucking Brumbies fan has a thousand words of criticism).
Its all well and good to speak of back row balance, but you've got to have it across your pack as well. If Timani is the big bruiser we've been missing, and the tight 5 keeps their workrate up, Hooper can pop up on attack and Pocock can do the job on defence.
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@NTA said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
(for which every fucking Brumbies fan has a thousand words of criticism)
Bumbies fans don't know what wider channels are.
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@antipodean said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
@NTA said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
(for which every fucking Brumbies fan has a thousand words of criticism)
Bumbies fans don't know what wider channels are.
Don't they think it's something to do with aspect ratio on the TV?
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I'll be interested to see if the Welsh carry on with their more adventurous style from the tour to NZ. Howley will probably have a few different ideas too.
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@Bovidae
We'll either click and romp away a la the demolition of England a couple of seasons back or clutch defeat from the jaws of victory as is our M.O. against Australia.Please be the former.
Please
