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    All Blacks v Italy

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    • taniwharugby
      taniwharugby last edited by Duluth

      Onward and upwards, no point dwelling on the past, flush the dunny and move on....

      So, we are still hamstrung by injuries, so who do we run out this week?

      Crockett, Coles, Franks
      Romano 🤞 Barrett
      Kaino, Read, Todd
      Smith, Cruden
      ALB, Ioane/Tamanivalu
      Naholo, Smith, Dagg

      Taylor, Moody, Faumuina, Squire, Ardie, TJ, BB

      Is BBBR being monitored, so potentially could be available?

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      • booboo
        booboo @taniwharugby last edited by

        @taniwharugby said in v Italy:

        Onward and upwards, no point dwelling on the past, flush the dunny and move on....

        So, we are still hamstrung by injuries, so who do we run out this week?

        Crockett, Coles, Franks
        Romano 🤞 Barrett
        Kaino, Read, Todd
        Smith, Cruden
        ALB, Ioane
        Naholo, Smith, Dagg

        Taylor, Moody, Faumuina, Squire, Ardie, TJ, BB

        Is BBBR being monitored, so potentially could be available?

        @taniwharugby Are you misding a benchie?

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        • taniwharugby
          taniwharugby last edited by taniwharugby

          probably...Fekitoa, or push Ioane to the bench if you dont start Tamanivalu

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          • mariner4life
            mariner4life last edited by

            Just pick whoever, a mix and match of our whole squad should be enough to beat anyone...

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              Gunner last edited by

              So assuming Crotty and Moala are gone, who comes in?
              Tamanivalu is an obvious choice, having been there and there abouts all year.
              The second spot is wide open....
              Nanai
              Buckman? Is he fit again?
              Proctor
              The third Barrett?
              Who else is there? Cant think properly, the wife has been working me too hard this weekend.

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              • taniwharugby
                taniwharugby @Gunner last edited by

                @Gunner said in v Italy:

                So assuming Crotty and Moala are gone, who comes in?
                Tamanivalu is an obvious choice, having been there and there abouts all year.
                The second spot is wide open....
                Nanai
                Buckman? Is he fit again?
                Proctor
                The third Barrett?
                Who else is there? Cant think properly, the wife has been working me too hard this weekend.

                could you hear your neighbour shouting at the TV this morning? Reckoned he hadnt even been drinking...

                Pretty sure both Crotty and MOala are gone, which leaves us critically exposed in the mid-field, with Fekitoa the most experienced mid-fielder we have fit and available.

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                  Gunner @taniwharugby last edited by

                  @taniwharugby nope, couldn't hear anything except my own voice yelling and swearing at the tv haha.

                  He did come over for a beer this afternoon wearing his fecking Irish jersey. So not only did we lose to Ireland, one of the cheeky bastards raided my beer fridge....

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                  • Billy Tell
                    Billy Tell last edited by

                    We need out best 23 available for Dublin.

                    I would still pick a B side - who should easily enough account for Italy.

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                    • Crucial
                      Crucial last edited by

                      I think this game has taken on new importance and the EOYT plans have probably been thrown out with regard to blooding some new players.

                      I would like to think that at least one of BBBR or Whitelock come back and that Romano rejoins. If a bench spot is needed then they may reward SB.
                      Moody to get benched (or left out) and Crockett to start. Accountability call.
                      Otherwise restore the Kaino, Read, Cane combo.

                      Not sure if they will flush the funny on Smith's performance and use this game to get him back into the groove. Likely from the bench. He has to be involved in the 23 or may as well go home.

                      I would start Cruden simply to provide a bit more voice to the patched up centre combo of ALB and Fekitoa.

                      Need to go back to Savea, Dagg and Bender as the back three.

                      Back reserves - if Smith starts then TKB, if TJP starts then Smith. BB and Ioane to make up the cover.

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                      • pukunui
                        pukunui last edited by booboo

                        So do we have BBBR, Whitelock or Romano back?
                        Moala and Crotty gone i assume.

                        Will be interesting to see how they play this one. Im sure they had plans to rest certain players but the loss and injuries may have changed those plans.

                        Some thoughts:

                        1. Moody can sit this one out if he isn't suspended anyway. Crocket to start.
                        2. Coles to start, Taylor getting a good 40 mins.
                        3. Maybe Charlie gets a start.
                        4. If any of our too three are back i'd have them straight in. Barrett and Pat T otherwise.
                        5. Kaino back to his spot or will they rest him for the next two?
                        6. Cane to get some more gametime to get up to speed
                        7. Are they resting Read? Does Dixon or Luatua get a start?
                        8. Start Smith again. If he is sub par then TJP takes number 1 spotfor the remaining games.
                        9. I would think either Cruden or Sopoaga will get a start here.
                        10. Naholo. Can't have both him and Savea starting. So Naholo gets a chance.
                        11. Fekitoa, not many options.
                        12. ALB
                        13. Will they give Ioane a run with Dagg at 15 to rest Ben?
                        14. Dagg start to rest B Smith or willDmac get a start with Dagg at 14?

                        Bench.
                        Ofa/Franks
                        Taylor
                        Luatua/Dixon/Fifita or one of the locks if BBBR/SW return
                        Ardie
                        TKB
                        Sopoaga or Cruden
                        Ioane if he doesn't start (therefore BSmith or Dagg covering 15 from 14). Or whoever they bring in to replace moala/crotty.

                        Team naming is going to be very interesting for once.

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                        • Crucial
                          Crucial last edited by

                          I forgot about Luatua. Would have been a good bench option yesterday with his line out skills.

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                          • Unite
                            Unite last edited by

                            I'd expect Moody will be banned, and pretty sure it was already mentioned that Read was going to be rested from this one? Whitelock was a 4-6 week injury wasn't he, so he won't be back?

                            Anyone know if this is being streamed on allblacks.com again?

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                              Whites72 @Unite last edited by

                              @Unite I would have thought a yellow card was enough for moody! Surely no ban aswell.
                              As for injury's I would now bring jordie Barrett into the squad properly as it's only a matter of time anyway and taminevalu and fekitoa are better at 13 so need cover at 12 for Anton Lienert brown

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                              • ACT Crusader
                                ACT Crusader @Crucial last edited by

                                @Crucial said in v Italy:

                                I forgot about Luatua. Would have been a good bench option yesterday with his line out skills.

                                Who for?

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                                • Billy Tell
                                  Billy Tell @Whites72 last edited by

                                  @Whites72

                                  Disagree. The coaches said Barrett isnt physically ready yet

                                  Don't want a major injury please.

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                                  • ACT Crusader
                                    ACT Crusader last edited by

                                    You'd have to think in their planning that several players were specifically earmarked for this one - Luatua, Ioane, Dixon, Todd, Sopoaga, TKB.

                                    I'm looking forward to it. When's the team named?

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                                    • westcoastie
                                      westcoastie last edited by

                                      I remember seeing Grant Fox on the naming of the team, and his suggestion was they start with this game and work backwards from it.

                                      Shits got interesting, but I don't expect them to change the course too much.

                                      I expect Read, Ben Smith, Beaudie & Coles to be given a rest.
                                      Moody should get suspended. Franks should get benched.

                                      I read Retallick is likely to be back, Whitelock maybe next Ireland test.

                                      So:
                                      1 Faumuina
                                      2 Taylor
                                      3 Crockett
                                      4 Retallick
                                      5 S.Barrett
                                      6 Kaino (for experience sake)
                                      7 Cane (c)
                                      8 Dixon
                                      9 A. Smith
                                      10 Cruden
                                      11 Naholo/Savea
                                      12 ALB
                                      13 Fekitoa
                                      14 Ioane
                                      15 Dagg

                                      16 Coltman
                                      17 Ofa
                                      18 Franks
                                      19 Tuipolutu
                                      20 Luatua
                                      21 Kerr-Barlow
                                      22 Sopoaga
                                      23 D-Mac

                                      Our 'A' team gets its chance for redemption vs Ireland. I can see Cruden maybe getting a start v Ireland if he plays well in this game, but then TJP's combo with Barrett, and the fact that Ireland will stick to a similar script - because honestly, this being the first time they've beaten us, nothing else has ever worked, they will refine things however. Test for coaches too, because it feels for once Hansen got out-coached. Feels a bit like that game England caught us on eh?

                                      That ALB/Fekitoa combo will get a workout in training eh.

                                      If Ioane tears it up in this game, like 4 tries on debut stuff, does he get a crack v Ireland?

                                      Team v Ireland...mk 2 (assuming no injuries)
                                      1 Crockett
                                      2. Coles.
                                      3 Franks
                                      4 Retallick
                                      5 Whitelock if available. Romano.
                                      6 Kaino
                                      7 Cane
                                      8 Read
                                      9 TJP
                                      10 Barrett
                                      11
                                      12 ALB
                                      13 Fekitoa
                                      14 Dagg.
                                      15 B.Smith

                                      16 Taylor
                                      17 Moody
                                      18 Faumuina
                                      19 Tuipolutu
                                      20 A.Savea
                                      21 Smith
                                      22 Cruden
                                      23

                                      Some spots TBC. Apologies if props are wrong.

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                                      • MN5
                                        MN5 @westcoastie last edited by

                                        @westcoastie said in v Italy:

                                        I remember seeing Grant Fox on the naming of the team, and his suggestion was they start with this game and work backwards from it.

                                        Shits got interesting, but I don't expect them to change the course too much.

                                        I expect Read, Ben Smith, Beaudie & Coles to be given a rest.
                                        Moody should get suspended. Franks should get benched.

                                        I read Retallick is likely to be back, Whitelock maybe next Ireland test.

                                        So:
                                        1 Faumuina
                                        2 Taylor
                                        3 Crockett
                                        4 Retallick
                                        5 S.Barrett
                                        6 Kaino (for experience sake)
                                        7 Cane (c)
                                        8 Dixon
                                        9 A. Smith
                                        10 Cruden
                                        11 Naholo/Savea
                                        12 ALB
                                        13 Fekitoa
                                        14 Ioane
                                        15 Dagg

                                        16 Coltman
                                        17 Ofa
                                        18 Franks
                                        19 Tuipolutu
                                        20 Luatua
                                        21 Kerr-Barlow
                                        22 Sopoaga
                                        23 D-Mac

                                        Our 'A' team gets its chance for redemption vs Ireland. I can see Cruden maybe getting a start v Ireland if he plays well in this game, but then TJP's combo with Barrett, and the fact that Ireland will stick to a similar script - because honestly, this being the first time they've beaten us, nothing else has ever worked, they will refine things however. Test for coaches too, because it feels for once Hansen got out-coached. Feels a bit like that game England caught us on eh?

                                        That ALB/Fekitoa combo will get a workout in training eh.

                                        If Ioane tears it up in this game, like 4 tries on debut stuff, does he get a crack v Ireland?

                                        Team v Ireland...mk 2 (assuming no injuries)
                                        1 Crockett
                                        2. Coles.
                                        3 Franks
                                        4 Retallick
                                        5 Whitelock if available. Romano.
                                        6 Kaino
                                        7 Cane
                                        8 Read
                                        9 TJP
                                        10 Barrett
                                        11
                                        12 ALB
                                        13 Fekitoa
                                        14 Dagg.
                                        15 B.Smith

                                        16 Taylor
                                        17 Moody
                                        18 Faumuina
                                        19 Tuipolutu
                                        20 A.Savea
                                        21 Smith
                                        22 Cruden
                                        23

                                        Some spots TBC. Apologies if props are wrong.

                                        we're going in without a left winger? This is taking arrogance well beyond ' starting a blindside at lock'.....I hope it works.....

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                                        • KiwiMurph
                                          KiwiMurph @MN5 last edited by

                                          @MN5 We might as well have gone in without a left winger in Chicago....

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                                          • westcoastie
                                            westcoastie @MN5 last edited by

                                            @MN5 I did say some spots TBC... but I dunno who deserves a start v. Ireland there any more.

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                                              cgrant last edited by

                                              Why not a Crusaders pack with : Crockett - Taylor - Franks - Romano - Barrett - Todd - Read - AN Other ?

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                                              • Bones
                                                Bones @cgrant last edited by

                                                @cgrant said in v Italy:

                                                Why not a Crusaders pack with : Crockett - Taylor - Franks - Romano - Barrett - Todd - Read - AN Other ?

                                                Dixon...

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                                                • Crucial
                                                  Crucial @cgrant last edited by

                                                  @cgrant said in v Italy:

                                                  Why not a Crusaders pack with : Crockett - Taylor - Franks - Romano - Barrett - Todd - Read - AN Other ?

                                                  Because Winger would blow a foo-foo valve.

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                                                  • Stargazer
                                                    Stargazer @cgrant last edited by

                                                    @cgrant said in v Italy:

                                                    Why not a Crusaders pack with : Crockett - Taylor - Franks - Romano - Barrett - Todd - Read - AN Other ?

                                                    Taufua 😀

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                                                    • gollum
                                                      gollum last edited by

                                                      Luatua must be a good show to start at least one test at either 8 when Read is rested or 6 surely. And that is probably this one?

                                                      Squire does not look a starting 6, Dixon has looked pretty mediocre. I'd be amazed if they don't give him a start to see what he brings to the table. First time round he looked a good option to back up Read, but far too loose to back up Kaino, hence losing out to the tighter Messam & the more veristile Vito, but with the alternatives pretty "m'eh" he has a second shot.

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                                                      • U
                                                        Username last edited by

                                                        I'm undecided about what I think they should do with this test but it may be a good idea to give a few of the players who had off games against Ireland a week in the stands to stew over the weekend's loss and come back extra fired up in the rematch.

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                                                          pakman last edited by

                                                          Crockett to extend record: http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/86210690/old-memories-wont-haunt-crockett-as-he-aims-to-add-his-world-record-of-43-consecutive-test-wins

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                                                          • Rapido
                                                            Rapido last edited by

                                                            Stick to the plan. Italy is for newbies.

                                                            Just dawned on me that post-RWC clean-out cycles really only effect the exporter countries, not the club importers (Europe). So this tour has gotten a lot more interesting in my eyes.

                                                            SAF and Aus were weak compared to 2015, now we should find out a lot more about the 2016 ABs in these next few weeks.

                                                            Good times.

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                                                            • ACT Crusader
                                                              ACT Crusader @pakman last edited by

                                                              @pakman said in v Italy:

                                                              Crockett to extend record: http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/86210690/old-memories-wont-haunt-crockett-as-he-aims-to-add-his-world-record-of-43-consecutive-test-wins

                                                              If the ABs lose against Italy, well we know who to blame then. Obviously it will be Crockett for not respecting his own legacy of greatness

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                                                              • Donsteppa
                                                                Donsteppa @ACT Crusader last edited by

                                                                @ACT-Crusader said in v Italy:

                                                                @pakman said in v Italy:

                                                                Crockett to extend record: http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/86210690/old-memories-wont-haunt-crockett-as-he-aims-to-add-his-world-record-of-43-consecutive-test-wins

                                                                If the ABs lose against Italy, well we know who to blame then. Obviously it will be Crockett for not respecting his own legacy of greatness

                                                                Or for repeating his 2009 performance. But lets hope we don't need to resolve that argument...

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                                                                • Stargazer
                                                                  Stargazer last edited by

                                                                  The Italian team to take on the All Blacks has been named:

                                                                  1 Andrea LOVOTTI (Zebre Rugby, 8 caps)
                                                                  2 Leonardo GHIRALDINI (Stade Toulousain, 81 caps)
                                                                  3 Lorenzo CITTADINI (Bayonne, 50 caps)
                                                                  4 Marco FUSER (Benetton Treviso, 13 caps)
                                                                  5 Andries VAN SCHALKWYK (Zebre Rugby, 5 caps)
                                                                  6 Maxime MBANDA’ (Zebre Rugby, 2 caps)
                                                                  7 Simone FAVARO (Glasgow Warriors, 30 caps)
                                                                  8 Sergio PARISSE (Stade Francais, 119 caps) - capitano
                                                                  9 Giorgio BRONZINI (Benetton Treviso, esordiente)
                                                                  10 Carlo CANNA (Zebre Rugby, 12 caps)
                                                                  11 Angelo ESPOSITO (Benetton Treviso, 7 caps)
                                                                  12 Luke MCLEAN (Benetton Treviso, 81 caps)
                                                                  13 Tommaso BENVENUTI (Benetton Treviso, 34 caps)
                                                                  14 Giulio BISEGNI (Zebre Rugby, 2 caps)
                                                                  15 Edoardo PADOVANI (Zebre Rugby, 3 caps)

                                                                  Reserves
                                                                  16 Ornel GEGA (Benetton Treviso, 5 caps)
                                                                  17 Sami PANICO (Patarò Calvisano, 3 caps)
                                                                  18 Pietro CECCARELLI (Zebre Rugby, 4 caps)
                                                                  19 George BIAGI (Zebre Rugby, 11 caps)
                                                                  20 Francesco MINTO (Benetton Treviso, 28 caps)
                                                                  21 Edoardo GORI (Benetton Treviso, 53 caps)
                                                                  22 Tommaso ALLAN (Benetton Treviso, 24 caps)
                                                                  23 Tommaso BONI (Zebre Rugby, 1 cap)

                                                                  The halfback makes his debut on Saturday.

                                                                  ITALIA, O’SHEA ANNUNCIA LA FORMAZIONE CHE OSPITA GLI ALL BLACKS A ROMA
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                                                                  • ACT Crusader
                                                                    ACT Crusader last edited by

                                                                    Amazing that Luke McLean has played 81 tests. I remember when this guy was running around in Perth. Well done to him.

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                                                                      pakman last edited by

                                                                      I think it'll be something like:

                                                                      Crockett, Taylor, Faumuina
                                                                      BBBR, Barrett
                                                                      Cane, Squire, Luatua
                                                                      Smith, Sopoaga
                                                                      ALB, Fekitoa (12)
                                                                      Naholo, DMac, Ioane

                                                                      Coltman, Moody, Ofa T, Todd, Dixon, TKB, Cruden, Seta T

                                                                      Not sure where Pat T fits in overall thinking. Based on Saturday I'm not convinced he's a test starter. Has Sopoaga ever played fullback -- there would be an argument for Dagg in the 23?

                                                                      Then Ireland

                                                                      Crockett, Coles, Franks
                                                                      BBBR, Whitelock
                                                                      Cane, Kaino, Read
                                                                      Smith, Cruden
                                                                      ALB, Fekitoa
                                                                      Savea, Smith, Dagg

                                                                      Taylor, Moody, Faumuina, Barrett/Pat T/Luatua, Savea/Dixon, TJP, Barrett, Seta T/Ioane/Naholo

                                                                      Whether or not Whitelock fully fit a big issue here. He and BBBR allow us to have two loosies on bench. Any doubts and we need a lock, or perhaps Luatua there. The latter allows a specialist 7. If a lock on bench, then Dixon's versatility a big plus.

                                                                      Other issue is midfield cover. This would probably argue for Tamanivalu. But Ioane a chance depending on how Italy goes. Naholo has also been mooted as cover???

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                                                                        akan004 @pakman last edited by akan004

                                                                        There's a video in the Herald of Hansen talking about the selections for the Italy game, so the team has obviously been announced. But I can't find it anywhere.

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                                                                          Frye @akan004 last edited by Frye

                                                                          @akan004 this is what I get from that video.

                                                                          2 Taylor/Coltman
                                                                          5 Barrett
                                                                          6 Dixon

                                                                          8 Luatua
                                                                          9 TKB

                                                                          11/14 Ioane
                                                                          15 McKenzie

                                                                          21 Smith

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                                                                          • No Quarter
                                                                            No Quarter last edited by

                                                                            That's a bloody cryptic way of naming the team! They like to keep us guessing don't they...

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                                                                            • No Quarter
                                                                              No Quarter last edited by

                                                                              Getting snipets of info, sounds like Dagg has been selected as well.

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                                                                              • ACT Crusader
                                                                                ACT Crusader @akan004 last edited by

                                                                                @akan004 it goes something like...

                                                                                1. W. Crockett
                                                                                2. C. Taylor
                                                                                3. O. Franks
                                                                                4. L. Romano
                                                                                5. S. Barrett
                                                                                6. E. Dixon
                                                                                7. M. Todd
                                                                                8. K. Read
                                                                                9. T. Cane
                                                                                10. T. Lander
                                                                                11. T. Blue
                                                                                12. A. Lienert-Brown
                                                                                13. S. Tamanivalu
                                                                                14. I. Dagg
                                                                                15. D. McKenzie
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                                                                                    mariner4life @ACT Crusader last edited by

                                                                                    @ACT-Crusader is that joke the new Thursday?

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