All Black Squad for Rugby Championship
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@Milk said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
Both TKB and Fekitoa are available until the end of the year. I'm assuming they feel the gap between TKB and Pulu et al is big enough to warrant keeping him in the squad as opposed to the gap between Fekitoa and Buckman.
Good to see Buckman and Ngatai there. Both have good experience and rugby brains. Fekitoa is a hell of an athlete but hard to believe will ever be known for his decision making.
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@Crucial said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
Last years squad for TRC was 32. This training squad is 34. A couple of Crusaders to slot back in as well.
A possible final squad... (33 with an extra outside back to cover Bender's departure)All Blacks squad for two-day camp:
Forwards
Hookers: Dane Coles, Nathan Harris. +Codie TaylorProps:
Kane Hames, Nepo Laulala,Atu Moli,Jeffery Toomaga-Allenand Ofa Tu'ungafasi. + Crockett, Franks, MoodyLocks:
Dominic Bird,Tom Franklin, Brodie Retallick andPatrick Tuipulotu. + Romano, Whitelock, BarrettLoose forwards: Sam Cane,
Vaea Fifita, Akira Ioane, Jerome Kaino, Ardie Savea and Liam Squire. +ReadBacks
Halfbacks: Tawera Kerr-Barlow, TJ Perenara and Aaron Smith.
First five-eighths: Beauden Barrett, Damian McKenzie and Lima Sopoaga.
Midfielders:
Richard Buckman, Ngani Laumape, Anton Lienert-Brown,Charlie Ngatai, Sonny Bill Williams. +CrottyOutside backs: Jordie Barrett, Rieko Ioane,
Nehe Milner-Skudder, Waisake Naholo,Julian Savea, Ben Smith. +DaggI'd like to see the AB selectors back themselves to get Tuipolotou and Ioane up to speed. Just think Romano as a 4th lock is a bit meh. Doesn't le the side down, but he has a ceiling. I'm quite underwhelmed by Naholo these days also. Dagg, Smith, Barrett, Ioane & NMS for mine.
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@Billy-Tell Romano just doesn't have the physicality of Tuipulotu. The coaching staff seem happy to bring guys in to help them deal with issues and are confident they can bring out the best in guys so I hope they achieve that with Patrick.
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Result of disciplinary appeal: Sonny Bill Williams
An appeal by New Zealand centre Sonny Bill Williams (pictured above) against the matches which a disciplinary committee counted towards his four-week suspension following his red card for dangerous charging contrary to Law 10.4(g) during the second New Zealand versus British and Irish Lions test in Wellington on 1 July has been upheld by an appeal panel independent of World Rugby.
A game being played by New Zealand against Counties Manukau and Taranaki on 11 August that had been excluded from the suspension by the original disciplinary committee has now been deemed to comply with the regulations’ definition of a “match” and, as such, that match will be included as part of the player’s suspension. Accordingly, Williams is suspended from all forms of rugby up to and including 11 August.
The hearing took place on 1 August and was heard by an appeal committee that is independent of World Rugby, chaired by Mr Justice Graeme Mew (Canada) along with Shao-Ing Wang (Singapore) and Stefan Terblanche (South Africa).
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What a bunch of arse covering lawyers. No wonder it takes so long to publish a decision. Someone has to spent days pouring over words to say 'we do not criticize the previous decision' but then go on in detail to shoot down their flawed logic.
At no cost withheld can anyone be seen to be in error, that would be unthinkable.
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@Crucial said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
What a bunch of arse covering lawyers. No wonder it takes so long to publish a decision. Someone has to spent days pouring over words to say 'we do not criticize the previous decision' but then go on in detail to shoot down their flawed logic.
At no cost withheld can anyone be seen to be in error, that would be unthinkable.
Therefore they search around for a legal argument to explain how you can be wrong but not wrong.Starting with just "Australians... huh?" - would have reduced the billable hours far too much.
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From a legal perspective, a very well motivated decision.
The crux, obviously, is that the Judicial Committee - in reaching its original decision - applied the wrong principles in the exercise of its discretion (in assessing the playing consequences of a suspension) by giving an incorrect interpretation of the rules around what constitutes a "meaningful match". This resulted in the erroneous decision that the "game of three halves" was not a meaningful match.
The Appeal Committee comes to another interpretation of what is a "meaningful match" and this leads to a different conclusion: the game of three halves is considered meaningful. For that reason, it upholds the appeal and the game of three halves counts towards the suspension. As a result, SBW is now free to play Bledisloe I.
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I haven't really studied all the detail...but am I correct in saying that in the original decision
- The game of 3 halves didn't count towards the suspesnsion...
2)...but SBW was still banned from playing in the match?
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@Billy-Tell
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@JayCee said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@Billy-Tell
2) no, he would have be available to play.The way I understood it, it didn't count towards his ban, yet he still wasn't allowed to play.
That's where I believe their decision was flawed, it made no sense at all.
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World Rugby Statement: Sonny Bill Williams Appeal Decision
The governing body is surprised by the decision of an independent panel to uphold the player's appeal in this case. While World Rugby respects the decision of the independent appeal committee to uphold the appeal by New Zealand’s Sonny Bill Williams against the matches that counted towards his four-week suspension, it is surprised by the committee’s interpretation of the definition of “match” (which is defined in Regulation 1 as “a game in which two teams compete against each other”). With the appeal process having been exhausted, World Rugby will refer the interpretation of the regulation to the Regulations Committee when it meets in September to examine the findings in the context of the game’s regulations to ensure universal clarity and compliance with the meaning of the regulation moving forward. -
@Stargazer said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
And by respect he means publicly shit on the decision.
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@antipodean Yeah, he was criticised for that on twitter and replied with this (the original tweet has been deleted):
I think that "I can disagree personally" is bullshit, because he tweeted the link to that WR media release straight after those earlier tweets. He's a public person/person in a high (public) position of WR, so he should assume that everything he posts on social media will be seen as a WR statement, unless he clearly states in the same tweet that it's his personal opinion only. And even then ...
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Foster makes an interesting point
Ironically, if someone gets red-carded in this particular match they will have to go through a judiciary hearing as they would in any other competitive match. I think it's hypocritical to say that one player can be suspended for an illegal act in a match, but another player can't use that match to live out a suspension
